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FrostedFlames says:

Anyone know what would cause a computer to shut down randomly on a regular basis?

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06:51 pm, Wednesday, December 28, 2005 (3 years ago)
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garonshanks says:

BIOS.

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06:52 pm (3 years ago)
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advent says:

randomly on a regular basis

Not so random then, is it? :P

I'd say bad RAM or a faulty power supply.

06:53 pm (3 years ago)
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Demon-Hunter says:

does it logout and close windows? or does it simply shut down?

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07:15 pm (3 years ago)
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PidGin128 says:

Have you recently added new or updated hardware? Check to make sure your power supply is supplying enough juice. Devices eat a lot these days, and power source isn't always the first thought.

Just a consideration. [ the above are valid as well, bios maybe a lil not so much, unless you have a sketchy bios ... ]

Good Luck !

11:14 pm (3 years ago)
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PidGin128 says:

Aww shoot, some one mentioned p/s already...

I thought I was bringing something new into this. Oh well, and more detail would help.

11:15 pm (3 years ago)
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"randomly on a regular basis" - yeah I knew when I typed that it might not make sense to you guys, but it does to me. Its random in the fact that I dont know what is causing it and it happens at "random" times. Its on a regular basis in the fact that it has been happening for a long time now.

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11:41 pm (3 years ago)
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I had the memory replaced recently as well as a diagnostics check and a OS re-install at the Geek Squad. This problem has been happening since I got the computer, or shortly after.

it doesnt log out or anything, its like I hit the power button without moving a muscle

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11:45 pm (3 years ago)
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ambulance says:

what are you doing when it shuts down? or is it completely random when it does it.

12:49 am (3 years ago)
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it happens "randomly", sometimes Im browsing the web, sometimes listening to music, etc

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01:30 am (3 years ago)
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Knarf says:

And I suppose that you have a valid anti-virus and all the anti spyware necessary, yes? And that you have checked your memory, the processor temperature and so on?

02:09 am (3 years ago)
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kevinlau7 says:

I'm almost sure it must be a problem with the system temps

kevin

08:11 am (3 years ago)
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kevinlau7 says:

the problem could be also a PSU (power supply unit) malfunction or a general power disruption. I would try moving the unit to a different outlet

kevin

08:22 am (3 years ago)
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colossus72 says:

"I'm almost sure it must be a problem with the system temps"


Yessir, I agree. You also might want to also make sure the heatsink is seated properly on the processor.

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08:53 am (3 years ago)
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Knarf says:

If your proc is a 64bit Athlon, you want to check if the cool and quiet system is on and disable it

10:27 am (3 years ago)
2877

The system temperature thing is probably whats going on. If I use the computer for a short time, it doesnt really happen. But the longer I use it, the more frequent this happens. So I guess that makes the most sense. Lets pretend I dont know anything about system temps, heatsinks etc. Talk to me like Im 10. What should I do? ;)
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01:45 pm (3 years ago)
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Demon-Hunter says:

have fans at the front drawing air in and fans at the back blowing air out. - dont know if someone of 10 would understand this...


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01:50 pm (3 years ago)
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I had the exact same problem awhile back and it was RAM related. If you have two sticks in your machine take one out and see if it still just shuts off. If it still shuts off open it up and remove the RAM still in the machine and replace with the RAM you took out.

I seriously doubt its a temperature problem. You could always run something that tells you the temp of your CPU, case etc. I cant think of the name of any specific program off the top of my head but Im sure someone here can name one.

I thought my was a temp problem too, at first. It would mainly happen after longer periods of time or when I was playing a game.

02:06 pm (3 years ago)
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Demon-Hunter says:

Here is a tutorial about "how to avoid overheating"
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/142

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02:07 pm (3 years ago)
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Demon-Hunter says:

also check out:
http://www.computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/143918.htm
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02:10 pm (3 years ago)
2877

I dont think it has anything to do with the memory, because I just had that replaced and it did it before and after the memory was replaced.

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02:16 pm (3 years ago)
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Knarf says:

Check the temperature often with Everest (maybe it's because of your alim that does not let the fans acquire enough speed or something) when I had the very same problem, changing the alim for a more muscled one did the trick. Also, clean carefuly your computer of any dust, espcially the fans, make sure they work, and are there any cable out of their place?

Everest : www.clubic.com/lancer-le-telechargement-16642-0-everest.html
(sorry it's in french, but the soft is in english)

03:09 pm (3 years ago)
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Knarf says:

Also, more info on your specs would be useful to guess the solution :)

03:10 pm (3 years ago)
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19" Flat Panel Samsung Syncmaster
Raidmax A268 Tower w/window + 3 case fans
Pentium 4 2.4 GHz
Windows XP Home Edition
80 GB Ultra
512 MB RAM
NVidia GeForce-4 MX440 64MB

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03:16 pm (3 years ago)
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kevinlau7 says:

have you measured the temperature yet? if so, what was the system temp?
kevin

03:38 pm (3 years ago)
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Knarf says:

With everest, the temperatures should be around 40 to 55 maxi

04:00 pm (3 years ago)
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isn't there generally a system diagnostic beep on temperature problems? or are we saying the temperature is causing data errors and causing the computer to crash? check the bios to see what the temperature threshold is.

40 to 55 celsius max? on a Pentium 4 2.4 GHz? that seems a bit low. does anybody know what the reference heat is on that processor?

i am with those of you that think it is memory or psu thing. even if you replaced the memory, the bus could be going bad. try running memtest86+.

since it has been a problem since the beginning, it could very well be an issue with the mainboard or cpu. or something as basic as a loose connection.

what is the rating on your psu? specifically the +12, +5 and +3.3 rails and what type is it?

if i were you, and you got it as a retail package, i would return it. if not, i would replace the psu with a better one, make sure all connections are seated and complete, and test the system with the most basic options you can. possibly using a 'livecd' os to boot and run from memory and diagnose from there.

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04:37 pm (3 years ago)
2877

So I didnt understand most of what you said. Not because it didnt make sense, but because I dont know that much about what you are talking about. :)

Not a retail package, so no returning it.

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04:56 pm (3 years ago)
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colossus72 says:

In a nutshell he said it could be the mainboard and you should check all your connections from the psu to the mainboard. Do you have the box the psu came in? Just pasting the brand and specs would tell us a lot as to quality of the device itself and the quality of power it's putting out.

It sounds like an overheating problem to me, or possibly overheat protection in the BIOS being a bit over protective. I'd reseat the CPU heatsink just for kicks and see what happens.

Also the power supply idea is pretty likely.

I don't think it's memory, as the system would probably lock up or show some kind of error rather than just nosedive, in my experience.

Also, take a gander at the Event Viewer and see if anything fishy is going on software wise. A longshot, but might as well.


I won't even suggest a multimeter. :)

06:38 pm (3 years ago)
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kevinlau7 says:

I got also a Pentium 4 2.4Ghz... I use "Intel Active Monitor" - you can check if the system temps are ok with this program.

Download at:
http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/active.htm

kevin

07:14 pm (3 years ago)
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bijou says:

"isn't there generally a system diagnostic beep on temperature problems?" ....from my experience...no. I don't know a lot about stuff...but if it was anything different from temperature or power supply, would he not see a logging off screen, or some other type of error message, or freezing?

It sounds stupid (but its happened to me!)... make sure there is nothing around your fans that could cause overheating...like boxes piled up or furniture too close or even floor heaters that could prevent the fans from receiving enough cool air.

08:36 pm (3 years ago)
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amp.angel says:

I find that SpeedFan works pretty well at telling the temperatures of my Motherboard, CPU, how fast the fans are running... Basically everything. Plus it has the nice ability to regulate speed to a fan. So you might want to try it out to check your temperatures as well...

Speedfan:
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

09:45 pm (3 years ago)
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myndfucht says:

this sounds like a problem my brother had after upgrading his old pc. basically it was a crappy outlet, amazingly enough, and had nothing to do with his pc whatsoever. when he moved to a new place, the problem miraculously disappeared.

12:44 am (3 years ago)
2877

Im in a different room than I used to be, so I know its not the outlet.

I have a friend staying with me from out of town for a couple days, so Im not going to be able to try any of these suggestions for a while, but when I'll do I will update.

Thanks for the help everyone

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