Yeah, I read this article. The sad thing is that for just a few dollars more you can buy a new mobo and a PCI Express 7800, so it's not really that good of a product IMO.
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I wouldnt say that. Infact - Nvidia is way behind. The 7800GTX 512 is not even available for most people, Making it very expensive.
Like that wasnt enough, the ATI X1800XT are faster than that card. And this is STILL not the end, the X1900XT AND X1900XTX just got released - making ATI have not one, but three cards out, and available that are faster than Nvidias highest-end card (while still being cheaper).
Also, the ATI X1800XL is only a tad more expensive than a 7800GT but is almost as fast as the 7800GTX. Worth looking into.
The ati last generations card, is wiping the floor with current nvidia cards like 7800GS and 7800GT. I bet i dont have to tell you what current ATi-cards are doing with the nVidia cards. (see for youselves)
ATi had problems with opengl - but that was ages (months) ago :) There is no real reason to go nvidia today..
Dont you think its good enough that the X1900 is both cheaper AND faster than the 7800GTX? I mean, the fact that it is better, AND cheaper is good.
I just dont get it. What does ATi have to do? Give you a card that is 2 bucks and 100x faster than the 7800GTX? Its impossible. They can, however, make the fastest card available, and still be cheaper than nvidias highest end - and thats what they have done.
Its is 20fps faster (as soon as quality is on, nvidia cards choke)... what more do you want? You have to remember that the X1900 are cheaper - and faster, both in opengl and directx.
say whatever you want, and choose whatever you want (no one can choose for you). But facts remain: ATi has the fastest card out, and it is cheaper than nvidias highest end.
And no - im not a fanboy (even if it might seem like that). I always choose the best product atm, and right now its ATI and AMD. Im sure Intel and nvidia will come back some time soon, but right now, ATi is dominating - and what AMD is doing to Intel (in terms of gaming) well... theres no real expression for that.
It's main (and only) competitor is the x850 XT PE, which outperforms it in most of the games they tested it on. However, the high selling point of the AGP 7800 is that..
1) It's 100$ cheaper than its ATI counterpart 2) It supports newer technology better (SM3, HDR)
The reason people would want this card at all is to keep an AGP system now, with an older processor (not 64 bit, 939, or whatever...), and upgrade to a fully compatible, 64 bit system in the future. This way the card will perform better NOW, and you can switch a PCI-e (or whatever the technology will be then) computer in the future, without having to worry about playing games on 800x600 at lowest settings (FEAR? COD2? COD2 is nearly unplayable on a 5900, unless you set it to DX7, and no one wants that.)
If it's a matter of money, the 7800 AGP is a good buy. The x850 gives better performance, but sacrificing a few fps and gaining newer technology features (and 100$) is a plus in my book.
Anyways, i dont see why we should need to create a topic for every little thing poeple would like to discuss. All I want poeple to know is that there is accutally another brand in the GPU-market, and Nvidia isnt the only one, and not the best either (atm).
If i am a fanboy - i must be a very bad one, as just a few months ago - i was talking about how great the 7800GTX was - and how the X850 was to be considered dead.
@xcal: The 7800GTX512 is (much) more expensive than the X1900 series, here in sweden. Depends on where you live i guess.
@c72: Didnt know that. And no, ATi is not paying me (i wish they would lol). But i think youre to smart to believe that yourself so my answer here is pointless.
@amp.angel: Seriosly, if you dont see any diffrence between 32fps and 51fps - check you eyes. Now, this is not a thing im saying to act like a stupid child. Dont take it the wrong way. The human eye EASYLY see the diffrence between those rates.
"why do you argue?"
Im not, you guys are. The very same can be said about you all, are nvidia paying a sum of money to you all just to own me, one humble guy? No. I said something good about ATi and the whole forum jumped on me. And dont underestimate the performance hit from softshadows and stuff in games like FEAR. Trust me when i say that you can forget about 1600X1200 with softshadows on. However, the 7800GT is a very nice card. And will play all good with games and what not.
It feels like ive made a few people mad/annoyed... so im sorry..
If i am a fanboy - i must be a very bad one, as just a few months ago - i was talking about how great the 7800GTX was - and how the X850 was to be considered dead.
I'm not racist. I even have friends that are (insert race).
The fact is, that doesn't make you not a fanboi. A fanboi will latch on to whatever is the flavor-of-the-month item (in this case, a videocard) and will fail to see any redeeming qualities in its nearest, supposed, competitor. A fanboi will promote findings on a site or two that supports their belief, while ignoring any other opposing information that may exist.
And as i said, i dont think people need to create a topic about every little thing that needs to be discussed. How would the forum look with topics like: Gefroce 3 geforce4 Geforce FX! 7800GT PCI-E 7800GS AGP etc..
"A fanboi will latch on to whatever is the flavor-of-the-month item"
I see this as a good thing. I always go with the best deals - nothing less. So in this case, im a huge fanboi.
And i dont get why it is so hard to discuss something wihtout calling others "fanboi" (even if they are) and what not. I respect all of you guys and i would never do anything to offend any one of you (not saying any of you have offended me).
But i think that if i, a 17-year old, is able to be calm and try to discuss something as simple as graphics cards without turning on my "7-year old"-mode, you all should be able to do the same. Stop calling me stuff and start to prove something instead? Im not impossible. You might convince me im wrong. Geez.
"will fail to see any redeeming qualities in its nearest, supposed, competitor."
Well, here it feels most are doing this?
Anyways, i THOUGHT it would be possible to have a nice discussion about GPUs with people here - but instead it was.. well... a total failure. I apologize - and what do i get... well...
I think this thread would've been worth something if people wern't lashing out at Danny for being a fanboy (I don't think so, but hey, jump on the bandwagon folks). There's plenty of REAL information here, and Danny knows plenty more than any one-sentence-wonders who jump to (hey, isn't this ironic) support their brand of video card.
I don't understand how Danny can be a fanboy when he actually backed up his information (that he didn't make up, that he didn't take out of context), and the folks "supporting" nvidia are the ones mouthing off to anyone opposing their viewpoint. Who's the fanboy?
Also, any website you go to will support his claims. Any benchmark (Whether it be ATI's newewst PCI-e cards, or the 7800 GS vs the x850 XT PE) will almost always show ATI coming out on top. Nvidia is making THIS card (7800 GS) to support past AGP users (like me, who bought this card) who want a cheaper card with newer technology, that will at least last them until a few years from now when AMD's new socket technology is well developed. Look at my previous post.
For all the people chiming in to give their 2 cents, try backing up what you say instead of just leaving it as some untapped source of truth that no one except your brilliant mind could notice. Shut the fuck up already.
