I think that one 9/11 movie was complete and uter bullshit. It was a horrible day. People need to stop blaming Bush for everything and move on with their lives.
The victims families thought the movies (both 9/11 and flight 93) were nessasary and gave there consent to produce both films, Sure it was a tradgedy, but I think we need to move on.
Well, if its not a conspiracy "theory", then it would be impossible for the people of U.S.A to move on, as the criminals are still in power, not held accountable for their actions.
So IMO its imperative that the truth is known by everyone. Only then can the people of U.S.A (and lots of other countries that have some sorta relationship with the US) "move on"
But really, its obvious. The 2 towers were the first modern building ever to fall because of fire...
I mean come on people, wake up! ------------- fractal.design
and lots more, just search 911 on google video. Alex Jones does some wacky stuff too (he's this Texan conservative that hates Bush for being a "phoney texan"... )
and lots of information about debunking the theories.
My short interpretation of the whole mess is that its a big mess. This makes it hard to follow one topic, and find that logically infallible bit of evidence. But take all the little bits and it seems like there is some huge conspiracy spanning continents at play here.
I am not sure of too many things, but one thing I am sure of is that our children (or our grandchildren) will find the answers to it all.
And that is kinda disempowering a little, our unborn children have better chances of unravelling the truth than we do?
meh, I am just glad I wasnt an integral part of it, like every american is. ------------- fractal.design, rocking panties everywhere
i've been reading up on these theories for a little while now, and frankly, they make my head spin. there are so many things that the average american will never, ever know that affect each and every part of their life. americans, and maybe anyone who is influnced/allied with america, are steeped so far in almost inescapable delusion by american mass media and the government itself. i doubt the country as a whole, since it will only grow in population, will have an almost impossible ordeal on their hands in eliminating this nagging and most likely terminal condition. if ONE of the above 40 questions/issues were raised by the nation as a whole (or by a 50.1% fixed/recounted/disputed majority) and were deemed to be true, it'd be a tiny, but monumental step for telling the fucking truth to citizens of a free nation.
i doubt the country as a whole, since it will only grow in population, will have an almost impossible ordeal on their hands in eliminating this nagging and most likely terminal condition.
Okay, kidding aside, yeah, the gov't is shitty and lies to us, what else is new?
it's definetly good that you recognize that.
SUPPOSEDLY we have the 'option' to 'make a change'.
i just wish some group would really give to ol' college try and see its even possible to get the people that run my life to admit all their daily crimes against humanity.
Bush was too busy playing golf and drinking. And from the norad tapes just released, it's clear that the government had no idea what was going on until it was all over.
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.
nitzua19: I have started reading about direct democracy a wee bit, and how things like Binding Citizens Initiated Referenda can give the power back to the people. eGovt is another cool idea (I would favour AI over a Bush any day lol!)
One thing recently that really spun me out was on the news recently Bush and Blair were having a little talk by themeselves, but the y didnt realise a mic nearby them was still on. They didnt say much interesting stuff, just how they were gonna "do" Syria (I think it was Syria) "next". But then Blair notices its still on a quickly turns it off. To me, thats just fucked in itself. He was elected, to lead his nation, and he is freaked about a mic being on!? I think in the future all Govt delegates/representatives will have no personal privacy, it will be stript from them with the aid of tech nology, so that anybody can "tune into Blair" and see that he isnt doing any creepy shit. It would have to be secure etc, but I really think this will need to be in the future, so no more bullshit wars get waged.
Open Source Govt in a way. Total transparency. ------------- fractal.design
And cthu1hu: "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence." is a shitty saying, because then all the evil people will just act dumb and "get away with it"
If anything it should be: "Never attribute to incompetence what can be attributed to malice." Atleast in terms of wars for world domination ;)
And it remains fact that the WTC was "over designed" to withstand enormous amounts of shit, for ages. There has even been a hotter fire that burned for longer (engulfing the core even) in the past... The impact of the planes was likened to "Stabbing a pencil through mosquito netting"...
It was physically impossible for the towers to fall because of the official reason. Any self respecting specialist/expert will agree.
Anyway, dont take it from me, go research this shit, lots of others have also. ------------- fractal.design
SirWonkus...its not the video, tho it does raise alot of the points within the video...its a rather comprehensive rundown of the top 40 conspiratorial theories on the matter...
that article is a year old...ALOT of developments have influenced the situation since then...i'm discrediting it or any of the other links in this post, just the age...
There's conspiracies that comes with anything and everything. I'm not gonna say either yes or no on this one. Just like I'm not gonna say that it was either God or the Big Bang that created the universe. Anything's possible, and any definitive 'right' answer can be proven wrong at any time. Christopher Colombus proved that the earth wasn't geometric but round, Darwin proved that we became what we became through the theory of evolution, not through biblical canter. And sooner or later some other theory is gonna replace evolution as the 'ultimate answer'. There is no definitive answer for anything or any situation, it leaves open the doors for possibilities, not 'facts'. Yeah, there is the possibility that Osama Bin Ladin is actually a member of the CIA and his nickname is 'Osmond' and that he was caught many times by U.S militants but was let go. Who knows? I mean, they caught Saddam, didn't take that much effort. I believe that Osama can't be that much of a mastermind that he could outrun the best military system and technology in the world when that entire nation and all their allies are after him unless he's had some aid *wink wink*. Yeah, that's a possibility. There's also a possibility that the 2 planes that hit the twin towers were actually U.S military planes. The story of the holes in the pentagram where the plane hit may be fabricated, and yeah, i think it's weird that being THE MAIN headquarters in the U.S military base it is clearly the most surveillanced and secure places in the country and yet there were no video footages of the incident. And yeah, there may even be a possibiity that Bush worships the devil. There is no known fact or fiction, there are just possibilities, which leaves room for alternatives as opposed to a set truth. I mean, how much of the media and the news that you are watching is controlled by the government and isn't in some way...bias?
When I said move on I meant to more improtant things, like actually resolving the problems in the middle east, helping starving familys in thrid world contries, ect.
The money put into that film was surely enought to go to a better casue. Not to mention the money that the govwrnment funds into war, all that money is wasting in my opinion. We could probably have found a cure for cancer had we put that much funding in to cancer reasearch instead of worthless killing.
I heard there was a buttload of wargames going on on 9/11 too, so air traffic dudes were kind of caught off gaurd and were not totally sure if it was a real situation.
Kinda makes you wonder if someone told the "bad guys".
It had to be flashing Like a Pop-up ad. It had to be digital on the television. It had to be downloaded on the Internet. It had to be uploaded into American folklore.
The C.I.A and Bin Laden are in Cahoots
It had to be whispered to the TRL crowd. It had to be created by Corporate Headlines.
The American Public sat still and silent while getting double-crossed, By CEO’s and extremists in plain clothes.
Corporate cowboys with subliminal criminal intent.
Soldiers in the CIA, working with Saudi’s, working with a worldwide syndicate operating in the shadows of society.
And it to be murmured from a big mouth.
It had to be whined from an I-pod. It had to be debated by talking heads on the A.M dial. It had to be mumbled from the side of a mouth. It had to be muttered from under the stairs.
It had to be enshrined next to Hoffa. It had to be buried in youngster’s memories. It had to be incarcerated within the facts. It had to be entombed in lecture halls.
It had to be crushed in a rush to judgment. It had to be pronounced dead in the headlines that dictate our time. It had to disappear before it arrived. It had to be as inconceivable as a box-cutter knife.
It had to be played on a loop. It had to be the war drum beating. People stopped dead during IM conversations.
It had to be the second richest American Warren Buffet holding a golf tournament at the same army base Bush would run too after terror arrived.
It had to be robber-barons pulling strings in a corporate underworld. Selling America out while screaming for freedom
It had to democrats and republicans working together in cahoots against democracy.
It had to be ringing on multinational cash registers with over 4,000 put options placed in victimized airlines.
It had to be the CIA and the FBI and social elite working together. They were bigger than jihad And they are bigger than you and I.
It had to had to be a high-rise office filled with murder.
It had to be smoked in the embers of a jet fuel fire. A Burning blog. Sound escaping from a muzzled shout.
It had to be a solider that can’t breathe. It had to be in Condoleezza’s mouth. It had to be central intelligence, House of Bush, House of Saud, Blue Bloods and corporate coercion.
One big set of gangs working together in cahoots.
Gang bangers. Executioners everywhere.
The elite. The drunk. The brutal. The royal.
On top of a makeshift concentration camp. The burning light of global warming. Prescription drug menace. Suburban ruins.
Broken homes ravaged by nuclear concepts.
It had to be the aristocrats. They hide behind democracy. And they got rich off of fear, sending anthrax reminders.
They wanted RX Dopers. They wanted Waco. They wanted Columbine. They wanted a war on the American psyche.
It had to be the CIA and the Mujahideen and the FBI.
Bloodthirsty unfettered capitalists. Vicious brigades ran by wannabe cowboys. A death squad for the entitled. The Army, Navy, and Marines drooping bombs on more poor people.
It had to be capitalism. The vortex of this rage. A never-ending rat race. Brother against brother.
Nick Berg’s head in a capitalists' bed. The Afghan Sand it rumbles in tycoons. And gang wars across oceans.
Bombing Iraq settled the score when Saddam was hording oil and planning daddy’s death.
The Last breathe of America’s democracy. Bumped off with White House plots and plans.
A warning to governments all over the globe.
The sleeping giant is awake and is hungry for blood.
The White House and CIA keep each other's secrets. The Bandar and Dubya never hit their own. The Dick Cheney and Bin Laden are one mind.
Brute force and full of money. Brute force, worldwide, and full of money. Brute force, worldwide, and full of money. Brute force, worldwide, and full of money. Brute force, worldwide, and full of money.
It had to be rich and it had to be powerful. They had to murder in Afghanistan. They had to murder in Iraq. They had to murder in New York City. They had to murder in Washington D.C. They had to murder in Shanksville.
And they had to murder America
(This Poem Is an reinterpretation of Allen Ginsburg’s poem “Had to be playing on the Jukebox”)
did you do the reinterpretation? if so, i've read the original one and its a great update to a powerful collection of thoughts from one america's greatest minds ever...
