The biggest problem...

I strongly agree with what your saying. Although I didn't experience the rule quite enough it's a very good idea and would help kill those damn 502's!

i think this would be a good idea too. maybe not just 1 everyday though. maybe 1 every 12 hours or something to the sort. i think this would not only help the quality though, but maybe help the stealing of artwork that has been going on here of late.

yeah, we got 6 submissions by this guy
http://customize.org/mikhael

and all of them are photos, you can't even use them as wallpapers because they are 600*450... ugh

I remeber lamp saying he'll post something about the quality vs quantity issue soon, badly needed imo.

i can't remember if the rule was only 1 sub every day...i think it was more of a rule that people don't upload more than 1 or 2 walls a day so that stuff had a chance to be on the front page in the new uploads. but i do agree that we need to have the rule reinstated. i also think we need a little more moderation of the subs so that we don't have quite so many unusable\bad ones getting through...

I remember when custo use to moderate EVERYTHING and delete hundreds of submissions a day to keep a certain quality to the site. I think we should still do that despite people crying about how their subs got deleted.

This is where voting can be cool.

I mean, dont get me wrong, the love/like system is sexcellent, but maybe there needs to be a way of expressing negativity also.

The bottom thing (new additions) could be "new submissions that nobody dislikes" or something ;) :D

I personally think we should not have popular additions. Just use the big space on the front page for latest submissions and thats it!

It will also make sure there is no sh** going on to try and get into popular additions. Featured is the only real stuff that means something.

popular additions are ok

really agree with that (limit the submissions)~
quality is always FIRST, that's why custo is custo.

i agree with pyro. indeed with quality, maybe some submissions will be viewed that arent........such as mine

i think it'd be best if we went back the system that capx speaks of

"It's nice to be important, but more important to be nice."

"Yippee ki-yay motherfucker!"

I don't remember there ever being a rule of 1 submission per day. We used to limit screenshots to one per user per day, but not overall submissions. How would someone be able to submit a suite with that rule? Spread out over the course of a week? boo.

Back when we were heavily moderating submissions a couple years ago, the user would receive a message explaining why the submission was removed. Despite that, I would still receive messages from 80% of those users either asking why the submission was removed or ranting and raving about how it is unfair or that their submission is better than 99% of the stuff on the site. Despite the fact that it made the quality of the site much better and gave custo the reputation of having high quality work, I think it caused a lot of hatred towards the staff at the time from newer users and didn't help the community grow.

yep, maybe giving all the users the use of the "bury" option.
So, when a submission hits mmm 20 bury-hits it just go buried just like a staff member could have done.

i think this site is far from dA for instance, where if you sort ss's by most popular you get a bunch of anime/emo images that arent even screenshots, but i agree we do need some kind of filter for submissions that are of extremely low quality, for the simple fact that even a novice/beginning user would hate to wade through a shit ton of horrible stuff before reaching the quality work they no doubt want to download.

as for the folks who submit crap work and think it's good, i dont think anyone needs to worry about hurting their feelings, since someone will probably do so anyway with the current system. a concise, simple explanation as to why a submission sucked, for lack of a better word, would not only help the user get better at their craft, but would leave only the best stuff highly exposed.

Remember, it was not so long ago that some of you were looked at as the new "new guy" submitting what others may consider crap work and repetitive screenshots. It takes a while for people to develop. Give the guys a break.

well, but that help to improve ourselves, if nobody tells you that you are wrong and give you hints, hardly you gonna improve someday.

I agree with a lot of what every one is saying, and I heavily miss the old uber moderated Custo that showed we had taste and class. And had a higher quality and higher demand of greatness to our users.

I am (as well as MANY others) extremely sick of Joe Schmo signing up and subbing 15 wallpapers. Or 15 screen shots -- all in one day or through the course of SOME time.

Either way that makes for a TON of crap clogging up the popular additions AND newly added or whatever. On the old site it had a larger display, I am (as I'm sure others are) sick of getting what I deem my good screen shot pushed out for a buttload of crap.

Either we limit screen shots and wallpapers to one sub a day, add that bury option, or add some kind of other alternative moderation option. The only reason people used to hate the staff was because people were partial to certain users.

IF we add some type of alternative option like the aforementioned things it would help/even solve said problem. In theory. Anyway, EITHER way I'm upset about it, and tired of it.

I don't like censorship. And I don't think that's a real issue.

But perhaps a guideline could be written and putted in the wiki, something really brief that would be showed to all at the joning time.

I have tried to put somewhat of a guideline in there, but I can't be rude, and a lot of people just don't read the help section.

That's why I suggested a short readme when someone first joins.

Yeah, that short read me is what I was talking about. It would help to prevent a lot of this without have to censor, many just are not aware yet.

or just changing the 'popular' additions from 6 to 9? and either lowering the standards, or keeping the ones that make it up there longer.

if you check back just once every day or so, you won't miss any of the big stuff, and don't have to wade through the other stuff to see it.

having the popular additions archived and browseable could help too.

i really don't think it's that big of a problem in the first place.

Strongly agree with Pyro..... like what I was saying to myself a couple of days ago,

popular additions are totally necessary because they can direct first timers to the best work available. nonbody wants to go to a site and look around for hours through mediocre walls. the most popular pieces will get more respect and downloads, and rightfully so. on the other hand i think the "bury" option that ego eluded to is awesome because there a definately things that we could all agree shouldnt be taking up webspace or peoples time.

I 2nd akka's suggestion ...it's imo the best way of keeping quality high and don't come over too "elite" to new users

...if it was harder to get into the popular additions people maybe would try harder!

I think popular additions should start at something like 3 loves or 5 likes ...or even a bit higher....dunno having something there that was liked once and comented twice seems kinda out off place...and that happens quite often

I agree, the popular additions should be harder to get into, the whole reason that crap gets in there is because of the refreshing thing. And there ought to be a bigger space of popular additions, and a longer amount of time they stay. And achieving wouldn't hurt either.

Call me an elitist, but either way I want people to try harder and stop submitting crap multiple times a day.

As one who just joined, I'm not sure that one submission a day / 12 hours would be a good solution for quantity vs. quality.

I mean sure - it would keep number of submissions down - but it would also stifle the good people as well as those that suck.

Another example of this would be me...I joined three days ago, but I joined with the intent of uploading a few things right then and there. I wouldn't have my 4 submissions yet, simply because I'd have to wait until tomorrow to submit the next one.

Also - In response to maladroit - The most popular submissions are not always the best (they most often are, but not necessarily). A good example of this is deviantArt, whose 'most popular' section is flooded with sh*tty work.

the only thing that irks me is when some people will submit X amount of wallpapers in a short time, when they could have easily just put it in a wallpaper pack. maybe i'm just one for packs, but uh.... yeah.

Yeah, and they dont even have to be packs, you can have alt versions of stuffs...

But yeah, reaise the bar on popularity ;) please :3

Wel the site is kinda overloaded... Som people just submit for fun.

Punky every newcomer has and will do that ... don't you think?

Right now the "popular additions" takes the 6 most popular subs from the past 36 hours. What do you guys want to try? Up it to 48 hours or even more?

I think 24h would be just fine ...

48 hrs would be good.

I'd suggest no time limit at all rather then changing how something gets voted popular...like I said...3 loves or 5 likes would be my suggestion to get something into the popular additions ...and then fill all 6 spots
it'd then be there untill 6 new popular additions came along

I agree with Mad. That'd help keep out the "tricks" of getting into the popular additions.

Yeah, I agree too.
Mad's system would also put more emphasis on loves/likes (which is a good way of deciding popularity in the first place)

The loves/likes level may even need to be raised once people catch on that they mean something more.

I open this site a lot of times in a day and everytime I open it, there is a complete different lot of popular additions. Its just so easy for everyone to get in there except me ! makes me furious. Its should be at least a little more difficult to get in the popular additions... :)

Yeah. I sympathise with Punk Nirvana. It is so damn hard to get into popular additions because of certain stuff.

As the one who originally wrote the rule....

It was a limit only on screenshots--each account was allowed to upload one screenshot per 24 hours because we had a real problem with screenshots in general overloading the recent submissions.

I'm of the opinion that with the new structure of the site and the new community--restricting submissions would be a bad move. There are so many ways for the community to "bring up" the good and let the bad just pass by its 5 minutes on the home page at this point, I'd say that allowing it is in the best interest of the community at large.

All in all, just my opinion. But just to clear up any speculation as to the old rules vs. the new.....

I dunno, I think a limit for screen shots would be a good thing. When people submit three to FOUR screen shots that are really quite crappy it gets really annoying.

Though I'm glad you cleared up the old rule.

hey I'd have no problem with 2 screenshots a day being a limit... the bury option is good too... what I want to see most though is the ability for the end user to customize the way view submissions.

For example I choose to view all recent submissions and no popular additions ... or I want to see 3 popular screenshots, 3 popular wallpapers, and 3 popular skins/others.

Admins is that a possibility?

tazio72 says:

Yeah. I sympathise with Punk Nirvana. It is so damn hard to get into popular additions because of certain stuff.

not if you have 4 accounts, then you can self love stuff so the front page is filled with horrible work.

it works so good d00d.

we definitely need a 'bury' option. it'd be like the quality control the admins used to do, but done by the users.

I agree with the bury option. If not limiting people to 2 screen shots (Heck maybe that too). Then a bury option must be made.

wtf 2 screenshots a day? ...why?
I'd rather say 1 per 2 days....finishing a screenshot usually takes me more then a day, so I don't think I'd be able to make 2 shots in one day that I personally think are worth subbing...unless I sit on my comp 24h in a row

Exactly.