I have absolutely no sympathy for smokers. I went cold turkey 12 years ago after smoking at least a packet a day for 10 years. If you still smoke, get a brain and give it up. the sooner smoking is banned world wide the better
we do have the right to choose, and you have choosen not to smoke. Yah for you, now get the fuck off your high horse and get a life. "Wah wah wah smokers are clogging the air". If you dont wanna smoke, dont smoke. If you dont wanna be near smoke, walk the fuck away. nuf said
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin (calvin and hobbes)
if you enjoy poisoning yourself on a daily (if not hourly) basis...by all means, continue. where i have a problem with it is when it affects other people. i shouldn't have to leave a PUBLIC space to avoid breathing in somebody else's poisonous smoke. cigars and blunts in the privacy of your own home or in designated areas are one thing...but jeesus, why in the world would anyone want to smoke cigarettes...give me just one good reason...
You ex-smokers are so much worse than non-smokers and sooo self-righteous and judgemental. You used to do it to so just shut up...don't say anything! I smoke, but I'm considerate...I smoke out of the mainstream. I'm not hurting anyone but me maybe, so leave the smokers alone!
when you smoke in public, you should throw out that crap that you are not hurting anyone but yourself, Its not like you can dodge puffs of smoke coming at you.
Smoking is not a god-given right. If people want to kill themselves in the privacy of their own home, good for them. But as soon as you start lighting up in public you're forcing it on other people.
It's like saying "I like carrying radioactive material around with me, and if people don't like when I walk in to Denny's with a fucking plutonium rod in my pocket, they can go somewhere else!"
It isn't as easy as you make it sound to avoid smoke. Smoking is banned on the trains which is fine, but as soon as you get off the train people are lighting up in a crowd of hundreds of people. So where am I to go. I've already had cancer and I have never smoked a cigarette in my life. I have no desire to be exposed to any more risk. Smokers should be a lot more considerate of those around them.
You know more innocent people are killed by drunk drivers than by second hand smoke every year. Let's bann alcohol everywhere but at home too. Most US cities would go collapse right now if it were not for the tax's on ciggaretts. You think they want you to quit? No way, they want your money and your votes. I think smoking is bad for you too but geez enough with attacking smokers already! They all pay in the end anyway!
Oh great another person with statistics. NO one and I mean absolutely NO ONE, can say how many people are killed by different things in the world there is no way to find out what has killed each and every single person in this world.
The database alone would be unimaginable and the resources and manpower would be pushed to the limits so think about that for a sec there.
What we do know is that smoking kills regardless if you are the person doing the smoking or if you are the person breathing in the smoke from someone else and thats the bottom line.
Smokers kill themselves and others around them It's no longer "COOL" to smoke not that I ever thought it was.
hes got a point, the only reason smoking is still legal is because the government makes so much money off the taxes and the "charitable donations" big tobacco makes to 'certain political parties' (i think we all know who they are) imagine somebody trying to market some new product that had the same poisons and addictive chemicals involved as cigarettes...no way in hell it would ever get through.
Ok, I'll agree that there are some inconsiderate smokers out there. Blowing smoke at you and all, but not all of use are like that. I always try and not blow smoke anywhere near anyone else, not even other smokers, it's just damn rude that way if you do. Yes, some smokers don't like second hand smoke!
If someone is smoking around you and not even trying to be considerate about it, fuck'em. But if it's someone like me that tries like hell to be considerate about it, do go saying to me "It's bad for you! you're gonna die!".
I know good and well what cigarettes do to my lungs, but do I care right now, not really. You try living in Spokane, WA for your whole life and see if you give a fuck. Half this town smokes weed and cigarettes, and the other half knows the first half well. sorry, that was a tangent.
not to mention all the money you are wasting, you know... Seems when it comes to most things the general public is going against, there usually something good thats found - look at wine, look at caffine, but smoking... seems you here something bad about it everyday - just my 2 cents... BTW, i feel smoking is choice - im not going to look down on you for smoking - just not in my face :)
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also, bars and public houses, you have to let people smoke there I think, I'm know to indulge in a cigar every few years with friends while sucking down the brown ale. smoking and drinking go together like chocolate and peanut butter. but smoking should be treated like drinking - something you do not very often with good friends.
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if people in Venezuela start treating smoking like drinking.... we all are gonig to die from cancer..... =), really, it's amazing how much pleople drink here.
But serioulsy, smoking in public places (some, not all) it wrong. But in some places, like bars... who cares? after all, you are killing your brain cell with alcohol.
I live in Oklahoma, they have also banned smoking in restaurants here too, and most public places, except bars. I am a smoker and what's the big deal about second hand smoke? It's not like it's gonna kill you, unless you're around it 24/7/365. I do agree they should ban it in restaurants and other public places, but what the hell is up with this, now if the law passes you can't even walk outside to smoke a damned cigarette, if you think you're going to be harmed by a little second hand smoke get the hell away from it! That's all I have to say.
do not bitch over cigarettes, bitch about cars and diesel trucks and diesel trains... bitch about jet fuel and boats that leave their exhaust deposited directly into waters you'll be drinking in not so long.
i smoke, i know everything it'll do to me, and i know the real statistics, not the trumped up FALSIFIED statistics that we see planted all over the place, you have to realize, ANYONE can call a study a study and say that any testing is valid and such, there are no standards for these tests, you can do what you want. as for second hand smoke? why are you worrying over it? you realize that eating anything you cook over an open flame raises your chances of cancer at an even higher degree then second hand smoke does?
did you realize the risk of cancer is only hightened by smoking, not by how much or wether it's a filter or filterless? it has NO proven cummulative effects?
did you know that the actual range of increased chances of cancer is under 10% for both second hand smoking and heavy smoking?
did you ever stop and think that milk raises your chances for heart disease, lettuce has the ability to carry salmonella poisoning, and that yanno, you might just get hit by a car before anything else gets to you?
ever stop and think there is NO WAY to stop cancer 100% ? if you're getting on the anti-smoking crusade only because of cancer related issues, then you have no veritable or worthy knowledge of the dynamics of this "disease" and guess what, having a family memeber who died isnt qualification, i've got a long list of those folks...
only one was a smoker, too.
you should spend your time fighting more DETRIMENTAL PROBLEMS then 80mm of tobacco.
jesus h christ, you people ever stop and think your habitual nosing in might just be one of the reasons we smoke MORE?! stupid arrogant pricks think of someone else before you nose into their bad habits.
asap: i think it should be resteraunts choice to be fully non smoking, partial smoking/non and all smoking... it's the owners privilidge.
i also thinkth e laws for seperation of smoking and non-smoking sections should be much stricter then they are.
I would keep arguing about this, but it's stupid. If me or anyone else that smokes want to smoke, it's our damn choice. And I know no matter how much I argue it won't do any good, so fuck it. Lets just drop the damn topic already.
I smoke, and like Gallahad, I try and be considerate about it. If there are people around me, and the wind is blowing their way, then I move so it don't get them.
Smoking is a choice, but I do think that people who smoke should be considerate about it.
Banning smoking in public places, like restraunts, trains and such is a sensible thing...one thing people don't want when they're out having a nice meal is to be disturbed by cigarette smoke.
But banning it from in public, keeping it at your home...that's almost ludicrous (spl?) It's almost like saying...you can ONLY do it at home, in your house.
Think of this then...you're considerate about your smoking...you're sharing a house with an asthmatic, so you don't want to smoke inside and risk then having an attack...you go outside and stand on the footpath to have your smoke...but you can't because it's in public. Sucks! IT almost seems like it'll get this way.
Another thought. Okay, make designated places for smokers to light up, be it a house, or something like a bus stop. The place would be seething with smoke...someone walks past, and they get a massive serving of cigarette smoke, whereas they might just be getting a smaller dose if they walk past three smokers in the street.
It's all stoopid. I believe that smokers should be considerate to non-smokers, but then also, non-smokers should be considerate to the choice that smokers have made...as their right...
Here in Australia, we haven't gone this far to pass laws like this, but I still think and feel about this...
But above all...it's your choice, so everyone else should just live with it.
[B]Ainan[/B] ...so, where did you hide my lighter...?
ya know what ... i feel so sorry for you smokers.. you got hooked when you were a kid or during some stressful time and now cant stop, but instead of agreeing to this ban you try to fight it.
You guys are legal junkies.. "nicotine" has you fiending like the common crack hoe and you cant wait to light up another one. Let the ban be a way for you to stop smoking, you gotta see that I'ts unhealthy.
Look at your fingernails and your teeth and the bad smell it produces.. who wants to go around smelling like an ash tray all the time and fiending for a cigarette. Don't be like the crack hoe!
It's true, peer pressure or a stressful exp. get you hooked on it (stressful in my case...)...
But then...I also care about my appearance and such...fingernails clean, teeth white, clothes cleaned on a regular basis...and I have no-one comment on a bad smell. Infact, just the other day, some old guy saw me light up, and commented and said, "you don't seem like a smoker, you don't have that smell about you"...no shit.
Despite the unhealthyness of it, I knew what it would do, but I still made the choice...
This world is full of choice, and I say, each to their own!
[B]Ainan[/B] ...so, where did you hide my lighter...?
but you are still fiending a cigarette though right? even now i bet you are either smoking or thinking about smoking.. kinda like a junkie and his/her next fix
I smoke sometimes, and maybe I'm just weird but I'm not addicted so I don't sit around thinking "God I wish I could have a cig". I agree with not smoking, or at least having more separation from smokers in resteraunts but not banning it in ALL public places, and most certainly not bars, unless the owner requests it. The best time to smoke is whilst relaxing with a drink, it de-stresses you.
Now for all you statistic junkies out there I'd like to know just how much "harm" I am doing to myself with part-time smoking. IMHO I'm probably negating the bad effects by reducing my stress levels. I do only have around 2-3 on any days I do smoke though, not like a pack a day. And if I ever felt hooked I'd stop, I'm stubborn, I couldn't stand being governed by something so petty.
And finally I would consider mysef a considerate smoker because I do avoid smoking around non-smokers, always try to sit where the air carries the smoke away from people, even swapping seats sometimes, and even avoid it myself so I don't smell bad to others.
For all you non-smoking fanatics out there you need to tackle the chain-smokers that don't give a damn about others, not just anyone who smokes, if someone's smoke is annoying you tell them, I'd put mine out or move if someone said that to me. (Unless of course I was smoking there before they arrived and they were dumb enough to sit by me then complain!)
smokers pay my daddy. heh he does reaserch on nicotien receptors. and gets big grants for it..mmm grants. buts it not like the world would collapse if people stopped smoking cause it would be gradual and people in europe smoke enough to keep the big cig companies alive. they could always legalize some illegal drug and tax it for money.
whee.
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Damn.. so you are telling me that you love the feeling of smoke filling your lungs? and then you give the ever popular response from HOOKED smokers "I could stop if i want to" that means you are hooked man!!!!!! you want to stop but you cant
I wasnt gonna respond again, but I just felt the need to say that Max is awesome and I agree with everything he is saying.
Also, Ainan said "But banning it from in public, keeping it at your home...that's almost ludicrous (spl?) It's almost like saying...you can ONLY do it at home, in your house."
LOL, yes keeping it at your home would be like saying you can only do it at home.
Max it's not as if I'm saying "I could stop if I want to" with no proof, I frequently do stop for long periods of time and don't sit there thinking about it. It's only when something reminds me and I'm in a situation where I feel like smoking that I will. In fact I just spent the last week in a place where I couldn't smoke, what I kept thinking wasn't "I want a cig" but "Damn I wish I had a packet of crisps", does that mean I'm addicted to crisps?
OK guys let it go.. this argument will never be won because smokers dont want to admit to the fact that they are addicted to smoking and it kills them that there will be a law implemented to prohibit them from lighting up anywhere at anytime they please its non winning battle and this is my last post.
This is gonna be my last post to it too, Max you can think what you like, I know myself I'm not addicted, I'm not asking you if I am, I'm telling you I'm not and I test myself often to make sure I don't get addicted.
I used to have respect for you but your last few posts (not just on this thread) seem rather ignorant. For instance your connection between class A drugs and smoking is laughable.
I treat smoking like drinking, I like doing it sometimes but I never feel like I have to. I'm sorry if that seems an unbelievable concept to you but it's the truth.
to all the people who say second hand smoke wont hurt you so ignore it:
even if it wont, it's not very enjoyable to smell it. cigarette smoke is disgusting to people who dont smoke. ever driven behind a garbage truck while it's crushing garbage in the back? it's like that. Sure it might not hurt you, but it sure as hell isnt very enjoyable, and you'd do anything just to get away from it.
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"I'm not addicted, I can give this up any time. I just enjoy it. It's my choice" Those were all things I said as a smoker until it finally sunk in that I was addicted. If you are a smoker it is extremely likely that you are addicted and the sooner you accept that and learn to fight your addiction the better.
Good luck to anyone who wants to give it up, it's bloody tough to stop and takes a lot of guts. "confusing pixels everywhere"
Besides, would you rather people to smoke a cigarette, or have them find some other form of drug to take, and have them die instantly from an overdose of heroin, or trip out on acid or whatever and kill people (not saying that it does happen, but might...)?
I'm over it...
[B]Ainan[/B] ...I'm new here, don't hold it against me...
The reason you don't hear anyone complain about car pollution is because it is not the topic of this thread. I personally would like to see a drop in carbon emissions from all forms of transport. I would like to see the rules that stipulate that car manufacturers sell a certain percent green cars enforced, and car manufacturers fined for their contributions to the atmospheric carbon. I would like to see cleaner fuels for planes. I would like renewable energies to get proper research funding. I have not learned to drive on purpose, based on these desires. But all of this, as I said is not relevant to this thread.
taken 15 years of second hand smoke from my dad and uncles... it does do alotta shit to you. also, working at a family liquor store, i've learned that the government doesn't try worth a damn to stop people from buying cigarettes. they tell the public that they slowly raise taxes on them to discourage the smokers, but it's only for their bennifit cuz they know smokers don't care about the price, the addiction is too strong. the store and wharehouses have no price restrictions either, like they do on alcohol. the government knows that nicotine is alot more addictive than alcolhol, so they restrict what doesn't benefit them financially. they do this with everything. lottery, they rig everything to ensure that they don't lose money and most people who gamble lose, yet they set up programs for people who lose all their money gambling.
everything the government does is for their own benefit.
piano - everything and anything is done cuz of money. Wars, taxes, ect. - but, higher prices in ciggies do make people quit - i have a few aunts and uncles have admitted the only reason for quitting was cuz of the price...
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Everything being said in this thread minus like 2 posts contains nothing but propaganda. Stop learning your facts from TV commercials and look it up for yourself. What killjoy said is absolutly true, and it doesnt end with cigarettes. Everything study is muffed to prove one side over the other. Being ignorant and unaware is just as bad as being plain old ignorant. We all have our stories, family members and friends dying. It happens, such is life. Your time here is short so spend it how you see fit. Smoke if you want, and if you dont want to, then dont. But dont go around telling other people how to live, its just not polite.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin (calvin and hobbes)
yer right, it's all about the money, and i'm sure some people quit cuz of the price, but why does the government make people think that the price is more important than their health?
the gov.'s tactics are very silly - "like one my teachers says sarcastically - "it's a good thing we got rid of that evil Joe Camel - now none of you kids smoke anymore"
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i dont think theres anything "cool" about smoking.. but im a smoker. unlike most of the teenagers in this website.. im 20 have been smoking for a year.. it's really helpful to me sometimes when im designing or studying if i just have a cigarette.. or when im outside at a party and im drunk, sometimes theres nothing better than a cigarette..
please dont bash people who smoke. you guys are crazy about agreeing with the ban.. most people our age want to make pot and other natural drugs legal, but with blind agression against tobacco.. its answers like that will screw our future laws take away more of our freedoms from everyone.
It's already many places in Norway where smoking are forbidden for example, many resturants, all the schools and most of the offices. Smokers have to go outside to smoke. The reason why it's so radical in Norway, might be because the (ex-?) leader of the World Health Organization, Gro Harlem Brundtland was (actually the one and only female) primeminister of Norway some years ago, and got good contacts inside the govnerment.
I don't smoke, and I will NEVER understand why people starts smoking. Reasons like it's cool, social or relaxing is nonsense, if smoking was to be introduced today, it would've been stopped, because it is a coctail of poison. Even if it is relaxing, god dammit, there ARE other way's of taking a break.
Watch the movie called The Insider, I bet that every bit of the story has happened more than one time (I know it's based on a true story so I'm refeering to the trials between tobacco company's and doctors who worked there and got fired, and want to tell the world that tobacco is addictive and dangerous).
well yeah, not to get off topic, but i think things ought to be a choice... Like seatbelts around here - i don't think it's a bad idea to wear one - which i do. But i don't think it should be a law that you HAVE to wear one... Just my 2 cents...
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devo (and other's who say people think smoking is cool) -- i know several groups of people who smoke at my school and from them, random aquantances, my sister, and other smokers in my family, i've learned that no one really ever thought smoking was cool. there was peer pressure involved, but most of them had bad influences at home.
ya know what... i would like someone to define "cool" for me
I respect the right to choose. There has to be some kind of compromise, we (smokers) are given designated areas to smoke, and by taking away our rights to smoke in public areas you are taking away more then just that.
@Oddfox, while i agree that smokers ought to be allowed to smoke.... On your statement, what you are saying is that is, it's already bad so i should care about prevention or anything else, thats almost like saying: riding in a car is dangerous enough already...soooo....i won't wear my seatbelt...
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THIS THREAD IS FUCKIN 2 MONTHS OLD!
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin (calvin and hobbes)
I smoke so that I wont have to live through the shittiest 15 years of my life. I don't know about you, but becoming demented and wheeling around in a wheelchair for 15 years isn't life that I want
I think cigerretes shoul be banned im trying to quit but i think they should be replaced by weed 100% natural. its exactly like alcohol but without the hangover alcohol and weed is both bad for you but weed is healthier than cigs.
just kidding smoking should be banned and weed should still be illegal its killing off kids im down to one pack a week and im proud of myself i know i'll quit soon
I'll give my 2 cents worth. I smoke. It's stupid. I'm hooked. It's tough to quit. I try to be sensitive to non-smokers....blah blah.
This is what pisses me off:
The state I live in sued the tobacco companies. They made a billion dollar + settlement with them. The premise of the suit was that tobacco companies had harmed the citizenry of the state by luring us into this horrble habit.
Now, we find our state in a 5 billion dollar shortfall, and no one wants to use that money to cure the budget woes. The money sits in escrow, with dollars meted out to various agencies to educate the masses on quitting.
On the news last night, there was a story about one of these agencies using 16 million dollars to create "quit packages" that include among other things, herbal teas. Geezus.
That same agency is under fire for spending over a million dollars on an undercover survey taken at gay bars to see what people are thinking about smoking and it's effects. WTF is surveying gay bars going to do to help get a grasp on the problem, or heaven forbid a solution? Who freakin' thinks this shit up?
The same agency is also under fire for paying several hundred thoudand dollars on PR. PR?? Give me a freaking break. If there's been PR, it has escaped me. A few commercials on TV? Geeezus.
I understand what the general public's opinion is on smoking. It's a bad thing, OK. Do non-smokers honestly want their tax dollars spent like I mentioned above? Personally, I'd rather see the funds spent on general (not tobacco) education, i.e., schools, filling holes in the road, or just curing the shortfall.
The real kicker is, it's the smokers who were lured into smoking by the bad bad tobacco companies. They are the ones that were damaged. And they don't get 5 cents for their trouble. It all goes to the state. And they waste the dollars in inconceivable ways.
Then, the tobacco companies kick up the prices to pay off the settlement. And the state, with their shortfall levy additonal taxes on tobacco products.
Smokers have been the target of these taxation "with" representation schemes for years. Smokers shy away from revolting on this because they're already pariahs, and it'll only make matters worse. So we live with it.
Fact is, once we all die off, all of you non-smokers are going to have to come up with money to pay for all of your programs. Good luck paying for it. Ask yourself what they'll tax then. I don't think you'll like the answer.
ya know what... my dad got outta jail not long ago, and i was all happy-like fer a while; but he smokes all day non-stop (unless he's eating or sleapin). The thing that bothers me is that the second hand smoke is obviously effecting me in everything i do. Also, the smell gets into everything i own and i can't do anything to get rid of it. It makes me sick and it makes my friends sometimes think it's me smoking.... just askin fer the hell of it.. but does anyone know how i could possibly get the smell out of my clothes?
lol, trutru... ^.^ but i've tried Fabreeze and it really doesn't work too well (i've soaked a sweatshirt in it and let it dry overnight... all it did was give it this smokey-fabreezey-crap smell).
Take your sweater or whatever, cram it up in between the screen and window. Close window. It seemed to work better when it was cold, but maybe that was wishful thinking. Leave it over night. It would smell considerably less funky the next day. I had this thick wool sweater that was dry clean only, but I wore it all the time, and that's how I kept from smellin...bad. It works pretty good too.
Same kind of idea, but if it's too cold to do what Colossus said try using a fan heater on your clothes until you can smell them getting hot, that seems to work quite well at killing smells. Fabreeze sucks. And if you want your house to smell better try using incense sticks.
incense sounds like a good idea, my friend suggested that... but i was worried my clothes just might start to smell like a mix of jasmine and cigarrette smoke, which i don't think would go together too well. the screen idea would work if i had any decent screens to jam my clothes up against in the house... now the fan heater idea... that might work and it's worth a try
What about not only (even if minimal) increasing someone else's health risk, but also invading their personal space. Smoke travels and lingers, it doesn't just stay in your lungs or even to the side you might "considerately" blow it to. Something to also think about!
I like the Hilton hotels idea, in some places they have a little card saying something along the lines of "we believe in freedom of choice, you are sitting in a smoking area, non smoking areas are provided...." then tells you where. They have separate rooms, so people can choose to smoke if they like and people can choose to be in a smoke-free environment if they like.
- MooseSkin Wenn das Leben Ihnen Zitronen gibt, brennen Sie sie
If people are so keen on breathing in smoke, I say we start building apartments INSIDE smokestacks. That way people could breathe smoke all the time and we could take a small bite out of housing worries.
i cant believe people are still argueing about this.
People smoke, get over it already. People do weed, people drink, but I dont see anyone sitting here fighting that, even though, one is illegal all together, and the other is done by people under the legal drinking age. I just think people should stop trying to prevent something that's not gonna be disappearing anytime soon. Just my 2 cents.
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People smoke, and quite frankly..nobody cares about them but their own..the fact is the air is supposed to be clean, and smokers have NO right to tell the people that dont foul up the air to avoid them. But since most smokers don't respect anyone (not even themselves obviously) they need to stink up their own surroundings (ie their home, car, etc.)
How many of you drive cars? How many drive gas-guzzling SUV's? How many drive a mile down the road, or into town, on your own when you could've walked/got a bus? That's creating pollutants that hover over entire towns and cities forcing us all to breathe them. I don't drive, I don't have a car and I don't want one because I'm fine with buses and walking right now and will be car-sharing when I get back to uni with 2-3 others, and if not I'll be cycling.
People smoke, people drive, get over it. Don't go getting all opinionated about one form of pollution when you probably cause many others throughout your daily life.
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personally i like the internal combustion engine and i dont think it should go away. but Moose has a point, think big not small or walk in the other direction. :P
