Matrix Revolutions - Thoughts?

I liked Reloaded better, I think there are still some stuff that need to be explained like what happened to the guy who saved zion, did he died?

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OK, so now spoil away. If you mean the leader in the APU, he definitely died. We saw that. If you mean the Kid, no he didn't die, but it wouldn't have mattered if he did. If you mean Neo, that's pretty much an open-ended interpretation question.

heh.nice job flint.
i thought it was a great way to end the trilogy..
i liked how deep it was..im going to watch it again and try to pick up on more of the subtle philosophy and religion undertones.

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Yeah, at the end Neo seemed to be moved away in a crucified position. The whole idea of Neo as a post-modern Jesus was more fleshed out in this one. I liked the idea of Neo's savior status allowing him to affect the machines in the real world - he's not completely human, or at least that's what I gathered.

I got too distracted trying to cut a hole in the bottom of my popcorn cup.

a-ha!

so that's why colossus kept offering me popcorn.

sneaky... sneaky...

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SO TRITE AND CLICHED


like evrery movie cliche was there...slow motion running towards eachother in the train station...just put them in a field..'if were gonna die, give em hell' gee thanks....with a peech like that im sure to give my life...so bad...and then the sunrise at the end...so TRITE!!!

'what you gonna do now merve?


life is a thrill, when your skill is developed, if ain't got a skill or trade, shut the hell up!

and if were spoiling...and we are...

neo new that the equation would be balenced...so if you take one away from one side you have to take it from the other...kinda lame...but...so was the movie.

life is a thrill, when your skill is developed, if ain't got a skill or trade, shut the hell up!

knew

life is a thrill, when your skill is developed, if ain't got a skill or trade, shut the hell up!

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so neo died, trinitiy died aswell just to end the war temporary, how lame is that. I think theyll make a 4th movie were smith took over the Arquitect.

Ha....Kultrax, you only have to do it once. Once you click the page and see a hundred lines of warnings, you don't need to put any at the bottom.

I certainly don't think it was lame. Far from it, actually. I think the whole idea in this once is that the Matrix finally received an upgrade of sorts. Notice at the end there was no more green tinge in the Matrix?

The first one was the only one that should've ever been released. It's the only one of the movies that made a mild attempt to be original. Very mild at that.

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i liked the whole yingyang karma shit. where in the end, the equations balance and they're put back together. ;p

sticboy.
keeping it clean, simple and functional.

movie got spolied for me. not like i was gonna see it anyways. the whole ***warning*** kind of made me want to read on...

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With a movie series like the Matrix I don't think you have to warn about spoilers since most people have to see the movie to understand what the fuck you are talking about.

I like the part where Popeye hit Bluto in the nose so hard his pants fell down. it was so deep.

the matrix is a smart movie (or now 'trilogy') for dumb people.

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Then what, pray tell, is a smart movie for smart people?

What the hell did that mean? It's like some psedo christian message with guns. It's just a cool action movie... not much substance otherwise.

I'd like to know what it means. Unless you're asking me what I meant. What I meant was that if people are so quick to suggest that the Matrix is non-intellectual, then what would they suggest otherwise? It's got a lot of metaphysical and philosophical messages. I'm pretty sure it's more than a cool action movie.

nerds

I'm pretty sure...

that they fucked up.

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I couldn't have put it any better.

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If you hate a movie before seeing it, you shouldn't be a film reviewer.

The thing about the Architect at the end of Reloaded is even though you didn't get it, you knew it would make sense if you went over it enough times. With Revolutions, in particular the ending, I get the feeling that I'm never going to understand what went on. The A.P.U. fight was the most amazing battle scene ever committed to film. But Smith vs. Neo sucked. "Let's make them fly and take turns punching each other." Good idea wachowskis. I loved Reloaded and the first 100 minutes of this film, but from the moment Trinity bit the bullettime I knew it was downhill all the way. Such a shame coz it was going so well too.

Tin of beans minus atom bomb equals a single bean. With no ketchup.

Well, to me the ending was reasonably sensible. The child (Sati) got a purpose, which presumably was to control the sunsets. The people who wanted out (which would be very few - probably 1% as before) could peacefully maintain their miserable existence in Zion. Those who didn't would remain in the matrix.

Moreover, I think it stressed that peace (really all peace) is temporary. They ended the war. There is peace now. They have not yet learned to coexist.

The final fight was somewhat cool and somewhat odd. It reminded me greatly of a Dragonball Z fight - in fact, the whole movie was sorta like a live-action anime movie. That would be fine if it was like Vampire Hunter D, but it was more like Akira where some parts were cheesy and others just utterly strange.

I liked it overall. I kinda feel like it ended that way because it had to.

i actually really enjoyed the fight between smith and neo..the part where they slowed down the punc and show smiths face all distorted was awesome...i definately agree about the anime fight..
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a funny review :P :

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/04/sprj.caf03.revi
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The final fight was somewhat cool and somewhat odd. It reminded me greatly of a Dragonball Z fight - in fact, the whole movie was sorta like a live-action anime movie. That would be fine if it was like Vampire Hunter D, but it was more like Akira where some parts were cheesy and others just utterly strange.

Well, The Matrix is heavily anime inspired.

It was a cool movie, although the beginning was a tad bit slow. The action was top notch, but the story was a bit dragged out beyond what it should have been. Actually, I was told I would be dissapointed at the ending by a friend of mine, and in all reality, he is right, the ending was dissapointing.

The story behind all 3 movies was very intellectual. For one to say it wasn't needs to watch them again. Seriously. There are a lot of biblical references, history references, and most importantly of them all, taking a computer language/reference and using it as to how computers control our world. It gets you wondering, what if we all are just programs running and doing our own thing. =)

All and all, it was neato. I liked it. I never read "professional reviews" by critics. Personally, there still biased on what the critic likes and dislike, no matter what somebody tells me. Its human nature. Don't listen to critics, see things for yourself and judge for yourself. Thats all that matters.

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Good call. I agree with all that. Even the ending, which I understood, but didn't necessarily like. The more I think about it, the more think that that was the only real ending and it almost had to be that way.

it's trendy to hate the matrix.

it reminds me of when FF7 got popular, all the FF fans renounced the series, saying that "3/6 was the best", and suddenly claiming the by and large mediocre Xenogears was the best RPG of the Playstation era.

or how everybody loved 3D graphics and renderings until they started turning up in commercials, then suddenly "the entire style is played out".

or how indie rock snobs love every band regardless of how much they suck, until their major label debut anyway.

the original Matrix wasn't that stunning. it was just well received by the techie and scifi cliques. and now that it's crossed over in to pop culture, well...

if you didn't like it, the issue wasn't with the film, the issue was with your expectations. in terms of writing, cinematography, acting, directing... it was a rock solid film.

and i'm gonna stir the pot a little... everyone slamming it as Philosophy 101 probably didn't understand the philosophic undertones due to their own lack of insight, and just assumed the most obvious ones the only ones.

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well, having not seen 'matrix - reloaded' or 'matrix - revolutions', i currently have no opinion on how good or bad the movies are. but i do think that reading reviews is important when at least deciding on which movie to see (if you're like me, and don't have enough money to see every movie you have an inkling of desire to check out). when reading a review though, i generally stick to movies which generate intrigue, whether for good or bad. also, i usually wait until my bf (djbkxr) dl's them off a newsgroup so i don't have to pay to see it. although, i do acknowledge that seeing a movie in the theatre can make a big difference, especially when the movie relies heavily on special effects ;)

status, i do agree with most of your points though :)

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It gets you wondering, what if we all are just programs running and doing our own thing. =)

glad to see im not the only who thought of that possibility.

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Ok, I'm gonna be completely honest here. I haven't really read a lot of the thread, but I'm tired of watching people complain about reloaded and revolutions...as films, they are 100% on par with the original movie which (though it is a kick ass flick) is not all that great of a film. Neither are the star wars movies...get over it. They are cultural phenomena that many people connect well with, but as FILMS they are nothing outstanding.

That said, the reason for the resentment of the 2nd and 3rd installment is not for lack of impressive plot, excellent fight sequences, or tremendous special effects. It's a lack of FEELING inside yourself.

If a writer/director is lucky, they will ONE TIME in their career change the face of moviemaking....again, only if they are extremely lucky. The Matrix did that, it changed the face of action movies. Bullet-time was a concept introduced by The Matrix; I don't think I've seen an action movie without at least SOME type of bullet-time sequence since. The Matrix broke new ground as far as action movies are concerned...and when you saw the movie for the first time, and even later than that, you KNEW it. It was engrained into your mind that this was a totally different kind of movie.

But as I said, a writer/director can only accomplish such a feat once in their career; moreover, they certainly cannot hope to reinvent the genre within the same trilogy! To even attempt such a thing would be asanine.

What holds the first movie up on a pedestal with the fans is the feelings associated with it, knowing that the movie itself ushered it a new wave of action films.

Those who dislike the 2nd and 3rd movies do not see them for what they are; movies. They see them for the lack of feeling they get when they watch them. They don't feel like they're watching a revolution. Certainly, there were some new elements but they won't change the face of action movies for some time to come.

I urge everyone to keep that in mind when they watch Reloaded and Revolutions. You will find that they are both wonderfully inspired movies and well worth any praise and most certainly not deserving of much of the disdain they get.

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darksheer wins the thread. ;)

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The first one definitely had some advantages that the other two did not; bullet time and the original metaphysical ideas. The other two were not bad movies, but I think they lacked the effort and the thought that was put into the first (esp the third). It seems they were in a bit of a rush to throw the other two out there. I noticed a few inconsistencies, and there were a lot of trite scenes in the end of third that seemed to just be thrown in, but like I said they weren't completely bad - just a lack of effort and passion perhaps...

as movies they are poorly done. cheesy special effects bombarded upon the movie-goer every two minutes combined with shoddy acting (laurence fishburn is good, i admit) and some of the most uninspired dialogue i've ever heard... not my scene.

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mojo... okay... enlighten me. what film had BETTER special effects? what scenes - specifically - were 'shoddily' acted?

i'm leaning more towards you having no taste in movies than the film being bad. :P

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I have seen the first two movies, and unlike the general consensus, I think that the second movie is much on par with the first one.

I enjoyed the computer components, as well as the religious and physchological references. To me, it was much much more than an action movie with some new special effects. It had a lot of feeling, and included much deeper concepts than the average movie you see today.

I hope the final movie is just a good as the first! **NEO DIES!!!** :(

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fate0000....you need to read my post.

They were continuations of the movie...they weren't supposed to have "original ideas" They were supposed to be EXTENSIONS of the first movie.

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status: ok did you see the entire fight scene in Reloaded with Neo and the Agents? THAT was fucking cheesy. "dude, i totally didn't notice that he was CG in that shot."

darksheer: any movie, no matter what context, should be able to stand on its own two feet as a single movie. look at LotR: The Two Towers for a good example of that.

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oh and as for shoddy acting... keanu reeves (sp?) is an all inclusive example of shoddy acting. he has no inflection in his voice nor does he convey any sort of believable emotion as an actor. it's like watching a poorly program robot try to love.

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it reminds me of when FF7 got popular, all the FF fans renounced the series, saying that "3/6 was the best", and suddenly claiming the by and large mediocre Xenogears was the best RPG of the Playstation era.

Hey, Xenogears was fucking awesome! Too bad the s l o w typing was really god damn annoying. It wasn't the best, but it was still rockin'. And besides, 4 and 6 are the best. =P

ok did you see the entire fight scene in Reloaded with Neo and the Agents? THAT was fucking cheesy. "dude, i totally didn't notice that he was CG in that shot."

Yea, it was cheesy. But how many people take a normal actor and turn him into CG for a huge scene in the film and do it good? Not a lot (and don't mention the current Star Wars, because they don't). Agreed though, it wasn't the best looking CG, and they could have done a lot of it still with wires and stuff, but it was still pretty good seeing it is they took an actor and recreated him in CG.

any movie, no matter what context, should be able to stand on its own two feet as a single movie. look at LotR: The Two Towers for a good example of that.

The Matrix 2 and 3 were meant to be 1 full lenth film, as for the 1st one, I dunno. But 2 and 3 were meant to be one long film, but obviously they couldn't do that due to time retraints. Just like the actress who originally played the Oracle died after 2 was completed. Or how about how Alliyah died during the making of 2 and she had to be replaced. All these leaps and things they had to overcome, they did a damn fine job of it.

You really can't compare LotR with Matrix. Thats two opposite ends of the spectrum of movies.

oh and as for shoddy acting... keanu reeves (sp?) is an all inclusive example of shoddy acting. he has no inflection in his voice nor does he convey any sort of believable emotion as an actor. it's like watching a poorly program robot try to love.

Any movie he is in he is like this. This series is probably one of his better though. Did you know that he attributes this because he lost a sister of his that he was close to at an early age? Kind of like how I did. They say thats why he hardly ever smiles, and when he does, he barely means it.


I think DS summed everything up clearly. Either way, its either A. You like the series or B. You hate the series.

Now, I've seen some pretty fucking bad movies in my time, so if you want to say Matrix is a 1 star movie, then you need to watch some more movies. I mean, Windtalkers was horendous, Art of War was a joke, XxX, Fast and Furious 2, Driven, ... man, I could make a huge list but I won't. If your saying Matrix is one of those, you need to start renting more and see what a bad movie is. Heh, Mummy Returns was even a sub-par movie ... talk about "reaching" for a storyline by saying she was a reincarnation .... anyways .... if you've seen the movie, you will know what I'm talking about.

Just my .02. I liked it ... the whole series. Yea, some parts were like "what the fuck!?" and kinda out there. But, amongst all the stuff they had to work around and modify, and sometimes the utmost confusing storyling (like the architecht part, but if you watch it 2 or 3 times and listen closely to what he says, minus all the "if unchecked, blah blah", its clear and concise meaning of balance, control, and how things work ... it does make sense).

So yea ... I'm rambling now. Its all good. Everyone has their own taste, some people like it, some people don't. Thats your perogative. I just think some people are too opinionated about it and go to see it hating it when they walk in, and hating it when they leave (like that review who gave it 1 start, that was BS).

I still think critics are full of bullshit and "opinionated" or have a "one thought mind". Critics may say they hate a movie, but it good be damn good. Critics may say they love the movie, but all honesty, could suck ass. Thats why I don't listen to them. =)

Anyways, enough of my rambling anymore. Its all your choice about it.

If they make a 4th one, now thats just going too fucking far. =)

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I still like the part where Bluto gets his.

the diner scene in clone wars and the fight between jango fett and obi wan have 100% cg characters in them, as well as several other scenes. Just thought I'd mention it.

The Matrix 2 and 3 were meant to be 1 full lenth film, as for the 1st one, I dunno. But 2 and 3 were meant to be one long film, but obviously they couldn't do that due to time retraints.

that's bull. the wackowski (sp?) brothers would never make a movie with this huge a following a dual release. furthermore, it would look totally ridiculous to have a 2 hour regular length film (the matrix) followed up by a 4 hour epic (reloaded + revolutions). it was meant to be a trilogy from the start. you could argue that the entire trilogy was meant to be one long film, but the way they ended the first one really doesn't lend itself to that argument.

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I think people also need to see the Animatrix series (at least several of it) to have the complete matrix background story.

"anime inspired" :) I got the same reaction too, It's a good thing I'm an anime fan so it really brings a plus to the movie, and I like sci-fi, complicated stories, and special effects so it's like a quadruple plus movie for me.

"I hate The Matrix" TOO BAD!!! I like it, so :P

"I hate the cheesy effects in this movie" TOO BAD!!! I like it, so :P

"It didn't stand out as an individual movie" TOO BAD!!! I like it, so :P
plus it really is a part of a big movie and you have to see all three trilogy at least 3 times each to grab the sub-meaning. That's why I'm gonna buy the trilogy DVD's if it came out.

It's really up to you if you like this trilogy or not. Like it or not, it's already been noted as a huge part in modern cinema movie history, both in movie originality and effects. The problem is it became a pop culture (actually not a problem) and there's just too many movies that copied it, which came out cheesy, making you think this one is cheesy too.

"metaphysical and religious sub-themes" I need too see Matrix Revolutions 5 more times to grab a few of its meanings, same with the previous two. I only just saw it once. I still like it, so still :P

So for people STILL complaining: TOOO BAAAD!!!! I Still Like It!!! :P
If you don't like it, don't watch it again. Simple. No bitching required.

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I'd love to see all the trilogy continuosly in one day, but it must be one heck of a too-lazy-to-do-anything day.
Give me a 2litre soda and large pizza and I'm set.

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"it was meant to be a trilogy from the start"

I'd even doubt that. Why make the money one time, if you could do it three times?

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I think maybe the producers already thought of that when making the first matrix but they make a 'lets wait and see' decision.

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dude, mojo, why do you even watch movies?

"it's like watching a poorly program robot try to love."

Intentional casting choice. You're supposed to be questioning whether Neo is even human - of course he should be played stiff.

So let's see... SPOILERS ABOUND...

Hugo Weaving was amazing, especially in his final lines with Neo. If you weren't impressed by his performance there's just no helping you. Mary Alice made a beautifully smooth transition in to the role of the Oracle, and really nailed the nuances of the part. Carrie-Anne Moss had one of the best death scenes in recent memory and completely carried the Mexican Standoff scene (which was a nice nod to John Woo). Ian Bliss played his part so beautifully you almost would have sworn it was Hugo Weaving in a costume. Picking up every aspect of another actor's delivery so perfectly is a feat.

"ok did you see the entire fight scene in Reloaded with Neo and the Agents? THAT was fucking cheesy. "dude, i totally didn't notice that he was CG in that shot." "

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Revolutions...??? :/

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Am I the only one who thinks this rabbit hole was really just a crap chute?

True. Reeves was a perfect actor for the part, because it required somebody with his (lack of) acting skills. And it worked pretty well. I totally agree with the Bane/Agent Smith part. That was cool.

Anyhow, to agree with mojo on a point, even though we're not talking about Reloaded my major gripe with that movie was the Neo/Smith playground fight. I guess it served a purpose to show that Smith was becoming a rapidly multiplying threat and that Neo was at a disadvantage, but the fight itself was rather boring and the CG not as good as it could've been. It was certainly fantastic, but it wasn't at the very top of the CG spectrum. My fiancee commented that it looked like one of my video games.

Overall, the special effects were pretty amazing. A lot of the things they created existed solely in the Wachowskis' imagination. You don't have really any real-life material to work with, which can be both good and bad.

mojo
I never said the second and third movies could not stand on their own...I said they weren't supposed to be original ideas....they were supposed to extend the first movie. That's the way trilogies work.

Yes, reloaded and revolutions was really one long movie that they split in half, but so what? Does that make them bad? Not in my eyes.



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the diner scene in clone wars and the fight between jango fett and obi wan have 100% cg characters in them, as well as several other scenes. Just thought I'd mention it.

I don't think so c72. the backgrounds between jano and obi were cg, but i don't think the characters were. i watched the making of and they show all the green screening. hmm.

that's bull. the wackowski (sp?) brothers would never make a movie with this huge a following a dual release. furthermore, it would look totally ridiculous to have a 2 hour regular length film (the matrix) followed up by a 4 hour epic (reloaded + revolutions). it was meant to be a trilogy from the start. you could argue that the entire trilogy was meant to be one long film, but the way they ended the first one really doesn't lend itself to that argument.

yes it was. why do you think 2 cut off so abruptly and left hanging in the middle of nowhere? obviously 1 long 5 hour movie couldn't be made, so it had to be cut in two.

i mean, they didn't make LotR one long 10 hour movie. and, the directors cut, each movie of LotR is actually almost 4 hours long, instead of the theatrical 3 hours.


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UNPLUG ME (c72, take your penis out of my butt).


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actually 3hrs is more to collosal rather than just theatrical, but standards change...

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Am I the only one who thinks this rabbit hole was really just a crap chute?

I THOUGHT THE TRAIN CONDUCTOR WAS "THE ONE" AFTER HE BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF NEO

cause

I THOUGHT THE TRAIN CONDUCTOR WAS "THE ONE" AFTER HE BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF NEO

hahahahhahahaah i liked this movie it was fun if anything id call it the new starwars of gen x ers
in reloaded we were told that there were 6 matrix programs before "NEO" ......well.... I think there next step will be to make 3 movie that explain the matrix before NEO like they did with starwars 3 before 3 after .......caaaaamaaaaan ppl we know there not gonna stop at 3 .

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I think if they'd made one 3 hour long movie, keeping all the action and cutting down the story (because there is easily an hour of dialogue that could be chucked out of those films) it would have been the best action movie anyone has ever seen ever. The story is simply a bonus in these films - anyone who says they'd pick the Architect's Speech or any scene with the Oracle over the Burly Brawl or APU fight is talking out of their wide O.

Tin of beans minus atom bomb equals a single bean. With no ketchup.

after watching the movie now.

the action and the reaction.
part and counterpart.
to find the equilibrium.

that´s the essence.

i fall on my knees in front of those two brothers. wonderful critique.

saying we have "just" another 2000 years on this planet makes me think. life for now. best to do i think.

i want an A.P.U.

go to the Quickie-Mart

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when i watched it ...i was just counting the times neo said "me too"

this one was better than reloaded and a comparison to the first one but nicely done,
good job wochawaski brothers.

That STORM movie looks pretty good.

just watched revolutions last night. for what it was, it was really funny! :D john and i kept going back to the part (got it off a newsgroup) where that stupid kid said "neo, i believe!". trinity's death scene went on a bit long, and didn't do anything for me, since i found both she and neo to be completely lifeless characters. which reminds me: the only character i could feel for was agent smith. ironically, to me, he was the most human character in the movie. and he's a cutie :P i'd rate the movie on a grade scale a C-

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Yeah, I hear you darksheer, but I think because the success of the first one was going to be questionable, they made it so that it could stand alone. Star Wars is a good analogy I think, and I ended up having to see Revo again, and appreciated a bit more keeping these things in mind. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the latter two were more mainstream (maybe to attract a larger audience?). I still do think the first one had a slightly different feel to it though. A bit more solid.