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Matrix Revolutions - Thoughts?

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Flintsilver says:

I saw Revolutions yesterday afternoon and I was wondering what everybody else thought. Personally, I liked it, and I thought it cleared up a lot of things from Reloaded that I didn't like.
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10:41 am, Thursday, November 06, 2003 (6 years ago)
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Kultrax says:

I liked Reloaded better, I think there are still some stuff that need to be explained like what happened to the guy who saved zion, did he died?

10:48 am (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

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OK, so now spoil away. If you mean the leader in the APU, he definitely died. We saw that. If you mean the Kid, no he didn't die, but it wouldn't have mattered if he did. If you mean Neo, that's pretty much an open-ended interpretation question.

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downtown08 says:

heh.nice job flint.
i thought it was a great way to end the trilogy..
i liked how deep it was..im going to watch it again and try to pick up on more of the subtle philosophy and religion undertones.

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11:24 am (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

Yeah, at the end Neo seemed to be moved away in a crucified position. The whole idea of Neo as a post-modern Jesus was more fleshed out in this one. I liked the idea of Neo's savior status allowing him to affect the machines in the real world - he's not completely human, or at least that's what I gathered.

11:26 am (6 years ago)
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colossus72 says:

I got too distracted trying to cut a hole in the bottom of my popcorn cup.

12:55 pm (6 years ago)
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AverageJoe says:

a-ha!

so that's why colossus kept offering me popcorn.

sneaky... sneaky...

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01:07 pm (6 years ago)
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SirWonkus says:

SO TRITE AND CLICHED


like evrery movie cliche was there...slow motion running towards eachother in the train station...just put them in a field..'if were gonna die, give em hell' gee thanks....with a peech like that im sure to give my life...so bad...and then the sunrise at the end...so TRITE!!!

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01:32 pm (6 years ago)
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SirWonkus says:

and if were spoiling...and we are...

neo new that the equation would be balenced...so if you take one away from one side you have to take it from the other...kinda lame...but...so was the movie.

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SirWonkus says:

knew

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01:33 pm (6 years ago)
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Kultrax says:

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so neo died, trinitiy died aswell just to end the war temporary, how lame is that. I think theyll make a 4th movie were smith took over the Arquitect.

01:41 pm (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

Ha....Kultrax, you only have to do it once. Once you click the page and see a hundred lines of warnings, you don't need to put any at the bottom.

I certainly don't think it was lame. Far from it, actually. I think the whole idea in this once is that the Matrix finally received an upgrade of sorts. Notice at the end there was no more green tinge in the Matrix?

02:02 pm (6 years ago)
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senex says:

The first one was the only one that should've ever been released. It's the only one of the movies that made a mild attempt to be original. Very mild at that.

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02:09 pm (6 years ago)
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sticboy says:

i liked the whole yingyang karma shit. where in the end, the equations balance and they're put back together. ;p

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02:11 pm (6 years ago)
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liquidred says:

movie got spolied for me. not like i was gonna see it anyways. the whole ***warning*** kind of made me want to read on...

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02:25 pm (6 years ago)
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Amplifried says:

With a movie series like the Matrix I don't think you have to warn about spoilers since most people have to see the movie to understand what the fuck you are talking about.

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colossus72 says:

I like the part where Popeye hit Bluto in the nose so hard his pants fell down. it was so deep.

02:34 pm (6 years ago)
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mojomonkee says:

the matrix is a smart movie (or now 'trilogy') for dumb people.

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04:44 pm (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

Then what, pray tell, is a smart movie for smart people?

04:53 pm (6 years ago)
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Amplifried says:

What the hell did that mean? It's like some psedo christian message with guns. It's just a cool action movie... not much substance otherwise.

04:53 pm (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

I'd like to know what it means. Unless you're asking me what I meant. What I meant was that if people are so quick to suggest that the Matrix is non-intellectual, then what would they suggest otherwise? It's got a lot of metaphysical and philosophical messages. I'm pretty sure it's more than a cool action movie.

05:02 pm (6 years ago)
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priceed says:

nerds

05:19 pm (6 years ago)
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AverageJoe says:

I'm pretty sure...

that they fucked up.

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AverageJoe says:

http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/review.asp?id=82224

I couldn't have put it any better.

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05:34 pm (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

If you hate a movie before seeing it, you shouldn't be a film reviewer.

05:53 pm (6 years ago)
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Ringo says:

The thing about the Architect at the end of Reloaded is even though you didn't get it, you knew it would make sense if you went over it enough times. With Revolutions, in particular the ending, I get the feeling that I'm never going to understand what went on. The A.P.U. fight was the most amazing battle scene ever committed to film. But Smith vs. Neo sucked. "Let's make them fly and take turns punching each other." Good idea wachowskis. I loved Reloaded and the first 100 minutes of this film, but from the moment Trinity bit the bullettime I knew it was downhill all the way. Such a shame coz it was going so well too.

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06:17 pm (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

Well, to me the ending was reasonably sensible. The child (Sati) got a purpose, which presumably was to control the sunsets. The people who wanted out (which would be very few - probably 1% as before) could peacefully maintain their miserable existence in Zion. Those who didn't would remain in the matrix.

Moreover, I think it stressed that peace (really all peace) is temporary. They ended the war. There is peace now. They have not yet learned to coexist.

The final fight was somewhat cool and somewhat odd. It reminded me greatly of a Dragonball Z fight - in fact, the whole movie was sorta like a live-action anime movie. That would be fine if it was like Vampire Hunter D, but it was more like Akira where some parts were cheesy and others just utterly strange.

I liked it overall. I kinda feel like it ended that way because it had to.

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downtown08 says:

i actually really enjoyed the fight between smith and neo..the part where they slowed down the punc and show smiths face all distorted was awesome...i definately agree about the anime fight..
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06:37 pm (6 years ago)
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Karah Issaan says:

a funny review :P :

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/04/sprj.caf03.revi
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rkenshin says:

The final fight was somewhat cool and somewhat odd. It reminded me greatly of a Dragonball Z fight - in fact, the whole movie was sorta like a live-action anime movie. That would be fine if it was like Vampire Hunter D, but it was more like Akira where some parts were cheesy and others just utterly strange.

Well, The Matrix is heavily anime inspired.

It was a cool movie, although the beginning was a tad bit slow. The action was top notch, but the story was a bit dragged out beyond what it should have been. Actually, I was told I would be dissapointed at the ending by a friend of mine, and in all reality, he is right, the ending was dissapointing.

The story behind all 3 movies was very intellectual. For one to say it wasn't needs to watch them again. Seriously. There are a lot of biblical references, history references, and most importantly of them all, taking a computer language/reference and using it as to how computers control our world. It gets you wondering, what if we all are just programs running and doing our own thing. =)

All and all, it was neato. I liked it. I never read "professional reviews" by critics. Personally, there still biased on what the critic likes and dislike, no matter what somebody tells me. Its human nature. Don't listen to critics, see things for yourself and judge for yourself. Thats all that matters.

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06:47 pm (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

Good call. I agree with all that. Even the ending, which I understood, but didn't necessarily like. The more I think about it, the more think that that was the only real ending and it almost had to be that way.

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status says:

it's trendy to hate the matrix.

it reminds me of when FF7 got popular, all the FF fans renounced the series, saying that "3/6 was the best", and suddenly claiming the by and large mediocre Xenogears was the best RPG of the Playstation era.

or how everybody loved 3D graphics and renderings until they started turning up in commercials, then suddenly "the entire style is played out".

or how indie rock snobs love every band regardless of how much they suck, until their major label debut anyway.

the original Matrix wasn't that stunning. it was just well received by the techie and scifi cliques. and now that it's crossed over in to pop culture, well...

if you didn't like it, the issue wasn't with the film, the issue was with your expectations. in terms of writing, cinematography, acting, directing... it was a rock solid film.

and i'm gonna stir the pot a little... everyone slamming it as Philosophy 101 probably didn't understand the philosophic undertones due to their own lack of insight, and just assumed the most obvious ones the only ones.

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07:43 pm (6 years ago)
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Karah Issaan says:

well, having not seen 'matrix - reloaded' or 'matrix - revolutions', i currently have no opinion on how good or bad the movies are. but i do think that reading reviews is important when at least deciding on which movie to see (if you're like me, and don't have enough money to see every movie you have an inkling of desire to check out). when reading a review though, i generally stick to movies which generate intrigue, whether for good or bad. also, i usually wait until my bf (djbkxr) dl's them off a newsgroup so i don't have to pay to see it. although, i do acknowledge that seeing a movie in the theatre can make a big difference, especially when the movie relies heavily on special effects ;)

status, i do agree with most of your points though :)

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08:01 pm (6 years ago)
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It gets you wondering, what if we all are just programs running and doing our own thing. =)

glad to see im not the only who thought of that possibility.

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08:03 pm (6 years ago)
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darksheer says:

Ok, I'm gonna be completely honest here. I haven't really read a lot of the thread, but I'm tired of watching people complain about reloaded and revolutions...as films, they are 100% on par with the original movie which (though it is a kick ass flick) is not all that great of a film. Neither are the star wars movies...get over it. They are cultural phenomena that many people connect well with, but as FILMS they are nothing outstanding.

That said, the reason for the resentment of the 2nd and 3rd installment is not for lack of impressive plot, excellent fight sequences, or tremendous special effects. It's a lack of FEELING inside yourself.

If a writer/director is lucky, they will ONE TIME in their career change the face of moviemaking....again, only if they are extremely lucky. The Matrix did that, it changed the face of action movies. Bullet-time was a concept introduced by The Matrix; I don't think I've seen an action movie without at least SOME type of bullet-time sequence since. The Matrix broke new ground as far as action movies are concerned...and when you saw the movie for the first time, and even later than that, you KNEW it. It was engrained into your mind that this was a totally different kind of movie.

But as I said, a writer/director can only accomplish such a feat once in their career; moreover, they certainly cannot hope to reinvent the genre within the same trilogy! To even attempt such a thing would be asanine.

What holds the first movie up on a pedestal with the fans is the feelings associated with it, knowing that the movie itself ushered it a new wave of action films.

Those who dislike the 2nd and 3rd movies do not see them for what they are; movies. They see them for the lack of feeling they get when they watch them. They don't feel like they're watching a revolution. Certainly, there were some new elements but they won't change the face of action movies for some time to come.

I urge everyone to keep that in mind when they watch Reloaded and Revolutions. You will find that they are both wonderfully inspired movies and well worth any praise and most certainly not deserving of much of the disdain they get.

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status says:

darksheer wins the thread. ;)

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08:11 pm (6 years ago)
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fate0000 says:

The first one definitely had some advantages that the other two did not; bullet time and the original metaphysical ideas. The other two were not bad movies, but I think they lacked the effort and the thought that was put into the first (esp the third). It seems they were in a bit of a rush to throw the other two out there. I noticed a few inconsistencies, and there were a lot of trite scenes in the end of third that seemed to just be thrown in, but like I said they weren't completely bad - just a lack of effort and passion perhaps...

08:13 pm (6 years ago)
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mojomonkee says:

as movies they are poorly done. cheesy special effects bombarded upon the movie-goer every two minutes combined with shoddy acting (laurence fishburn is good, i admit) and some of the most uninspired dialogue i've ever heard... not my scene.

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status says:

mojo... okay... enlighten me. what film had BETTER special effects? what scenes - specifically - were 'shoddily' acted?

i'm leaning more towards you having no taste in movies than the film being bad. :P

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09:00 pm (6 years ago)
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bijou says:

I have seen the first two movies, and unlike the general consensus, I think that the second movie is much on par with the first one.

I enjoyed the computer components, as well as the religious and physchological references. To me, it was much much more than an action movie with some new special effects. It had a lot of feeling, and included much deeper concepts than the average movie you see today.

I hope the final movie is just a good as the first! **NEO DIES!!!** :(

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darksheer says:

fate0000....you need to read my post.

They were continuations of the movie...they weren't supposed to have "original ideas" They were supposed to be EXTENSIONS of the first movie.

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11:17 pm (6 years ago)
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mojomonkee says:

status: ok did you see the entire fight scene in Reloaded with Neo and the Agents? THAT was fucking cheesy. "dude, i totally didn't notice that he was CG in that shot."

darksheer: any movie, no matter what context, should be able to stand on its own two feet as a single movie. look at LotR: The Two Towers for a good example of that.

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12:04 am (6 years ago)
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mojomonkee says:

oh and as for shoddy acting... keanu reeves (sp?) is an all inclusive example of shoddy acting. he has no inflection in his voice nor does he convey any sort of believable emotion as an actor. it's like watching a poorly program robot try to love.

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rkenshin says:

it reminds me of when FF7 got popular, all the FF fans renounced the series, saying that "3/6 was the best", and suddenly claiming the by and large mediocre Xenogears was the best RPG of the Playstation era.

Hey, Xenogears was fucking awesome! Too bad the s l o w typing was really god damn annoying. It wasn't the best, but it was still rockin'. And besides, 4 and 6 are the best. =P

ok did you see the entire fight scene in Reloaded with Neo and the Agents? THAT was fucking cheesy. "dude, i totally didn't notice that he was CG in that shot."

Yea, it was cheesy. But how many people take a normal actor and turn him into CG for a huge scene in the film and do it good? Not a lot (and don't mention the current Star Wars, because they don't). Agreed though, it wasn't the best looking CG, and they could have done a lot of it still with wires and stuff, but it was still pretty good seeing it is they took an actor and recreated him in CG.

any movie, no matter what context, should be able to stand on its own two feet as a single movie. look at LotR: The Two Towers for a good example of that.

The Matrix 2 and 3 were meant to be 1 full lenth film, as for the 1st one, I dunno. But 2 and 3 were meant to be one long film, but obviously they couldn't do that due to time retraints. Just like the actress who originally played the Oracle died after 2 was completed. Or how about how Alliyah died during the making of 2 and she had to be replaced. All these leaps and things they had to overcome, they did a damn fine job of it.

You really can't compare LotR with Matrix. Thats two opposite ends of the spectrum of movies.

oh and as for shoddy acting... keanu reeves (sp?) is an all inclusive example of shoddy acting. he has no inflection in his voice nor does he convey any sort of believable emotion as an actor. it's like watching a poorly program robot try to love.

Any movie he is in he is like this. This series is probably one of his better though. Did you know that he attributes this because he lost a sister of his that he was close to at an early age? Kind of like how I did. They say thats why he hardly ever smiles, and when he does, he barely means it.


I think DS summed everything up clearly. Either way, its either A. You like the series or B. You hate the series.

Now, I've seen some pretty fucking bad movies in my time, so if you want to say Matrix is a 1 star movie, then you need to watch some more movies. I mean, Windtalkers was horendous, Art of War was a joke, XxX, Fast and Furious 2, Driven, ... man, I could make a huge list but I won't. If your saying Matrix is one of those, you need to start renting more and see what a bad movie is. Heh, Mummy Returns was even a sub-par movie ... talk about "reaching" for a storyline by saying she was a reincarnation .... anyways .... if you've seen the movie, you will know what I'm talking about.

Just my .02. I liked it ... the whole series. Yea, some parts were like "what the fuck!?" and kinda out there. But, amongst all the stuff they had to work around and modify, and sometimes the utmost confusing storyling (like the architecht part, but if you watch it 2 or 3 times and listen closely to what he says, minus all the "if unchecked, blah blah", its clear and concise meaning of balance, control, and how things work ... it does make sense).

So yea ... I'm rambling now. Its all good. Everyone has their own taste, some people like it, some people don't. Thats your perogative. I just think some people are too opinionated about it and go to see it hating it when they walk in, and hating it when they leave (like that review who gave it 1 start, that was BS).

I still think critics are full of bullshit and "opinionated" or have a "one thought mind". Critics may say they hate a movie, but it good be damn good. Critics may say they love the movie, but all honesty, could suck ass. Thats why I don't listen to them. =)

Anyways, enough of my rambling anymore. Its all your choice about it.

If they make a 4th one, now thats just going too fucking far. =)

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12:46 am (6 years ago)
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colossus72 says:

http://www.bancruelfarms.org/meatrix

01:16 am (6 years ago)
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colossus72 says:

I still like the part where Bluto gets his.

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colossus72 says:

the diner scene in clone wars and the fight between jango fett and obi wan have 100% cg characters in them, as well as several other scenes. Just thought I'd mention it.

01:36 am (6 years ago)
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mojomonkee says:

The Matrix 2 and 3 were meant to be 1 full lenth film, as for the 1st one, I dunno. But 2 and 3 were meant to be one long film, but obviously they couldn't do that due to time retraints.

that's bull. the wackowski (sp?) brothers would never make a movie with this huge a following a dual release. furthermore, it would look totally ridiculous to have a 2 hour regular length film (the matrix) followed up by a 4 hour epic (reloaded + revolutions). it was meant to be a trilogy from the start. you could argue that the entire trilogy was meant to be one long film, but the way they ended the first one really doesn't lend itself to that argument.

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Aphaits says:

I think people also need to see the Animatrix series (at least several of it) to have the complete matrix background story.

"anime inspired" :) I got the same reaction too, It's a good thing I'm an anime fan so it really brings a plus to the movie, and I like sci-fi, complicated stories, and special effects so it's like a quadruple plus movie for me.

"I hate The Matrix" TOO BAD!!! I like it, so :P

"I hate the cheesy effects in this movie" TOO BAD!!! I like it, so :P

"It didn't stand out as an individual movie" TOO BAD!!! I like it, so :P
plus it really is a part of a big movie and you have to see all three trilogy at least 3 times each to grab the sub-meaning. That's why I'm gonna buy the trilogy DVD's if it came out.

It's really up to you if you like this trilogy or not. Like it or not, it's already been noted as a huge part in modern cinema movie history, both in movie originality and effects. The problem is it became a pop culture (actually not a problem) and there's just too many movies that copied it, which came out cheesy, making you think this one is cheesy too.

"metaphysical and religious sub-themes" I need too see Matrix Revolutions 5 more times to grab a few of its meanings, same with the previous two. I only just saw it once. I still like it, so still :P

So for people STILL complaining: TOOO BAAAD!!!! I Still Like It!!! :P
If you don't like it, don't watch it again. Simple. No bitching required.

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07:48 am (6 years ago)
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Aphaits says:

I'd love to see all the trilogy continuosly in one day, but it must be one heck of a too-lazy-to-do-anything day.
Give me a 2litre soda and large pizza and I'm set.

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07:53 am (6 years ago)
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hermik says:

"it was meant to be a trilogy from the start"

I'd even doubt that. Why make the money one time, if you could do it three times?

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07:55 am (6 years ago)
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Aphaits says:

I think maybe the producers already thought of that when making the first matrix but they make a 'lets wait and see' decision.

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08:00 am (6 years ago)
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status says:

dude, mojo, why do you even watch movies?

"it's like watching a poorly program robot try to love."

Intentional casting choice. You're supposed to be questioning whether Neo is even human - of course he should be played stiff.

So let's see... SPOILERS ABOUND...

Hugo Weaving was amazing, especially in his final lines with Neo. If you weren't impressed by his performance there's just no helping you. Mary Alice made a beautifully smooth transition in to the role of the Oracle, and really nailed the nuances of the part. Carrie-Anne Moss had one of the best death scenes in recent memory and completely carried the Mexican Standoff scene (which was a nice nod to John Woo). Ian Bliss played his part so beautifully you almost would have sworn it was Hugo Weaving in a costume. Picking up every aspect of another actor's delivery so perfectly is a feat.

"ok did you see the entire fight scene in Reloaded with Neo and the Agents? THAT was fucking cheesy. "dude, i totally didn't notice that he was CG in that shot." "

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Revolutions...??? :/

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09:33 am (6 years ago)
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Amplifried says:

Am I the only one who thinks this rabbit hole was really just a crap chute?

09:49 am (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

True. Reeves was a perfect actor for the part, because it required somebody with his (lack of) acting skills. And it worked pretty well. I totally agree with the Bane/Agent Smith part. That was cool.

Anyhow, to agree with mojo on a point, even though we're not talking about Reloaded my major gripe with that movie was the Neo/Smith playground fight. I guess it served a purpose to show that Smith was becoming a rapidly multiplying threat and that Neo was at a disadvantage, but the fight itself was rather boring and the CG not as good as it could've been. It was certainly fantastic, but it wasn't at the very top of the CG spectrum. My fiancee commented that it looked like one of my video games.

Overall, the special effects were pretty amazing. A lot of the things they created existed solely in the Wachowskis' imagination. You don't have really any real-life material to work with, which can be both good and bad.

09:51 am (6 years ago)
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darksheer says:

mojo
I never said the second and third movies could not stand on their own...I said they weren't supposed to be original ideas....they were supposed to extend the first movie. That's the way trilogies work.

Yes, reloaded and revolutions was really one long movie that they split in half, but so what? Does that make them bad? Not in my eyes.



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09:55 am (6 years ago)
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rkenshin says:

the diner scene in clone wars and the fight between jango fett and obi wan have 100% cg characters in them, as well as several other scenes. Just thought I'd mention it.

I don't think so c72. the backgrounds between jano and obi were cg, but i don't think the characters were. i watched the making of and they show all the green screening. hmm.

that's bull. the wackowski (sp?) brothers would never make a movie with this huge a following a dual release. furthermore, it would look totally ridiculous to have a 2 hour regular length film (the matrix) followed up by a 4 hour epic (reloaded + revolutions). it was meant to be a trilogy from the start. you could argue that the entire trilogy was meant to be one long film, but the way they ended the first one really doesn't lend itself to that argument.

yes it was. why do you think 2 cut off so abruptly and left hanging in the middle of nowhere? obviously 1 long 5 hour movie couldn't be made, so it had to be cut in two.

i mean, they didn't make LotR one long 10 hour movie. and, the directors cut, each movie of LotR is actually almost 4 hours long, instead of the theatrical 3 hours.


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10:09 am (6 years ago)
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Aphaits says:

actually 3hrs is more to collosal rather than just theatrical, but standards change...

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11:06 am (6 years ago)
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Amplifried says:

Am I the only one who thinks this rabbit hole was really just a crap chute?

11:25 am (6 years ago)
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cause says:

I THOUGHT THE TRAIN CONDUCTOR WAS "THE ONE" AFTER HE BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF NEO

cause

12:12 pm (6 years ago)
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cause says:

I THOUGHT THE TRAIN CONDUCTOR WAS "THE ONE" AFTER HE BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF NEO

hahahahhahahaah i liked this movie it was fun if anything id call it the new starwars of gen x ers
in reloaded we were told that there were 6 matrix programs before "NEO" ......well.... I think there next step will be to make 3 movie that explain the matrix before NEO like they did with starwars 3 before 3 after .......caaaaamaaaaan ppl we know there not gonna stop at 3 .

cause

12:18 pm (6 years ago)
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Ringo says:

I think if they'd made one 3 hour long movie, keeping all the action and cutting down the story (because there is easily an hour of dialogue that could be chucked out of those films) it would have been the best action movie anyone has ever seen ever. The story is simply a bonus in these films - anyone who says they'd pick the Architect's Speech or any scene with the Oracle over the Burly Brawl or APU fight is talking out of their wide O.

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01:03 pm (6 years ago)
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Imrik says:

after watching the movie now.

the action and the reaction.
part and counterpart.
to find the equilibrium.

thatīs the essence.

i fall on my knees in front of those two brothers. wonderful critique.

saying we have "just" another 2000 years on this planet makes me think. life for now. best to do i think.

01:40 pm (6 years ago)
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50cent0823 says:

i want an A.P.U.

02:12 pm (6 years ago)
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caesar1996 says:

go to the Quickie-Mart

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03:30 pm (6 years ago)
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darkmanx says:

when i watched it ...i was just counting the times neo said "me too"

06:13 pm (6 years ago)
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Transitive says:

this one was better than reloaded and a comparison to the first one but nicely done,
good job wochawaski brothers.

07:22 pm (6 years ago)
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Demannu says:

That STORM movie looks pretty good.

07:55 pm (6 years ago)
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Karah Issaan says:

just watched revolutions last night. for what it was, it was really funny! :D john and i kept going back to the part (got it off a newsgroup) where that stupid kid said "neo, i believe!". trinity's death scene went on a bit long, and didn't do anything for me, since i found both she and neo to be completely lifeless characters. which reminds me: the only character i could feel for was agent smith. ironically, to me, he was the most human character in the movie. and he's a cutie :P i'd rate the movie on a grade scale a C-

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08:28 pm (6 years ago)
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fate0000 says:

Yeah, I hear you darksheer, but I think because the success of the first one was going to be questionable, they made it so that it could stand alone. Star Wars is a good analogy I think, and I ended up having to see Revo again, and appreciated a bit more keeping these things in mind. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the latter two were more mainstream (maybe to attract a larger audience?). I still do think the first one had a slightly different feel to it though. A bit more solid.

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another thing to consider is that the whole storyline changes as of Reloaded.

The Matrix was about a normal guy who discovers that the world around him is an elaborate illusion, and mankind has been enslaved by machines.

Reloaded and Revolutions are about a war between humanity and the machines.

That's a big difference.

I'm not feeling this.

09:30 pm (6 years ago)
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Max says:

that agent smith needs more .. i got sick of him saying
"Mr Anderson"

who does that.. "I want to kill you Mr Anderson"!!

If rabbits' feet are so lucky, then what happened to the rabbit?

09:38 pm (6 years ago)
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mojomonkee says:

makes you think of the drastic shift in story focus as more evidence in support of the "trilogy as an afterthought" argument, eh?

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09:39 pm (6 years ago)
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DoorinD says:

action movie or not, stiff writing and terrible acting hurt ANY genre. i couldnt have given a crap less about any of the characters, and honestly i wish i hadnt spent money on them - at least the second two.

someone up there said it was "trendy" to hate the matrix - pfft. thats the most retarded thing i've ever heard. people dislike the matrix BECAUSE IT SUCKS. they're heavily marketed, badly made movies with absurd attempts at depth. yeah, wach bros, shove that balance crap down my throat. i dont think the ten year old in the next row gets it yet.

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DoorinD says:

the best acting in the whole movie, actually, was bane's impression of agent smith - it was quite gradual, and very well done.

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01:54 am (6 years ago)
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rush68 says:

next time on dragonball.....

06:52 am (6 years ago)
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kanita says:

Well the 10 yr old kid in the next row is not supposed to be getting it --the movie's not intended for him it's rated R.
And i'm exteremely disguisted at the stupidity of some of u...ur complaints are lame and ur arguments are not supported in the least ...
And as for the argument over whether it was an intended trilogy from the start or not...well who kares
but it's stupid to assume that since ther is a "drastic shift in story focus" from the original matrix to the other 2...that there weren't intended sequels...because there was no big idea shift --the other 2 only elaborated on one of the many roads the first movie could take u...but an obvious one would be to follow the prophecy idea and we are told from the start that neo is THE ONE and that neo has to save everyone...and um thas what he does at the very end of REVOLUTIONS....the first movie does focus on NEO BEING THE ONE it just doesn't elaborate on the idea....
as someone had previously mentioned..the whatever brothers made the movie so it could stand on its own because it had to in order to be succesful --for a demand for the 2 sequels.-and im guessing they weren't sure what they were going to do for the sequels (hence the time it took them and their inability to know how well the original would do) but they proposed an abundance of ideas in the original to make good sequels later...pretty smart idea fora movie...ironically they didnt think of it...it was a philosopher whose name i forget athe moment- who was debating over descartes ideas of that the devil could be controlling us- i wonder if they got the idea from there or not...

but newayz...what i dont get and mayb it was explained n i missed it due to my multitasking while watching..is how all those ppl got out of the matrix in the first place...how did the first human unplug himself..or were they (humans) not all plugged in the matrix so they reproduced?? someone please clear that up if it was in the movie

but newayz good movie and good analogy to the star wars prequels...keanu reeves is hot dont hateo n him..and his sisters not dead yet shes sick with leukemia ...its one of the other things that could add to his depression as well such as his convict dad leaving him at 2 or his daughter dying christmas eve and then his girlfriend a year later (around late 2000 or early 2001)

ok im done...haha my elongated response..

12:17 am (6 years ago)
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colossus72 says:

I'm sorry, but I can't take some seriously when the they spell "cares" "kares" or "anyways" "newayz" or any of that other stupid bullshit.

Then again, maybe an in depth discussion of this film is perfect for someone with your abilities.

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kanita says:

my abilities? since when are one's abilities based on the spelling of such words...yes im sure my abilities surpass way beyond urs if we're going to base it on that when you make sure to spell everything all right and don't even know that indepth is one word..once u make it two it's a different meaning...it just shows how stupid and unopinionated you are that you don't have anything else to pick at from my response than that i have an internet habit of spelling care "kare" whoo you are so effing kool
just from your comment i can rightfully conclude that you are incompetent at having any insight or knowledge because anyone who isn't wouldn't have commented as you did...i think i'ts cuz you're envious and frustrated as a result of your own stupidity...yeh don't even bother replying this isn't an argument...there is no point in arguing with stupid people...you are bullshit --people like you are bullshit--goodnite

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DoorinD says:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=indepth

actually, its hyphenated. i'd say he's closer than you.

i cant stand when people try and force insightfulness and intelligence.

and the ten year old remark was sarcasm. obviously.

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02:22 am (6 years ago)
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FakeAccount says:

haha are you nerds still arguing about this homosexual film

wrong, bitch!

02:41 am (6 years ago)
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Ainan says:

Heh heh...my turn...

For me, the whole Matrix Trilogy was brilliant. It brought up such a controvercial kind of idea right there when the "Millenium Bug" was at it's peak *choke...*

And ReLoaded and Revolutions were brilliant, worthy sequels.

And horray for special effects. When you get a $300 million budget, you might as well do something with the cash...(or give it to me...)

Ah...I'm totally awesome!

Plus, if you don't like the movie...who cares, enjoy the eye candy, and the death that befalls Keanu Reeves...seeing as though ur all bitchin about that...


And besides...Monica Belluchi....dare I say HOT!!!

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04:22 am (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

I can't believe somebody argued with colossus over grammar or spelling. He reminds me a lot of me in that he seems to take pride in his ability with words.

And yes, Monica Belluci is hot. This movie could've used at least another 4 or 5 minutes of her breasts.

09:02 am (6 years ago)
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kanita says:

yeh its hyphenated he was still wrong don't be a dumbass and comment if u didnt even read -we weren't arguing he was implying that he always spelled everything perfectly...wow will u get over it ur sucha kid. too effing bad u cant stand when people try and force insightfulness and intelligence because you will get it a lot cuz of your lack of it ..it makes sense u hate it..and revolutions IS RATED R...damn ppl are so stupid...yeh the movie is good get over your whining about it too

09:29 am (6 years ago)
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AverageJoe says:

STFU n00b
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09:49 am (6 years ago)
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colossus72 says:

Arguing with a 16 year old over the internet?

I think I''ll try to cure death instead. I'm likely to make more progress.

01:25 pm (6 years ago)
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kanita says:

how old areu then...that's pathetic..don't u have better things to do then post shit on these boards neway? (like the spelling?) age's nothin but a number i kno adults who are no way near as smart and mature as me.

06:46 pm (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

Let me share a little secret with you. NOBODY will take you seriously if you continue to type using incorrect abbreviations like "newayz" or "u" or "kno." Learn to spell. Learn to communicate with written language. Also, nobody who's smart and mature says they are. I believe actions speak louder than words.

By the way, colossus is old enough to know how to type. However, if you want, by all means please continue this inane argument. It provides a little excitement in an otherwise dull day.

08:08 pm (6 years ago)
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kanita says:

haha u are so stupid ...ill use abbreviations all i fucking want this isn't an english paper...calm down it's not that serious...and no this isn't written language? phew internet nerd friends..this provides excitement for u? yeh ur life must be very dull

08:30 pm (6 years ago)
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Flintsilver says:

This isn't written language?

Damn.

08:48 pm (6 years ago)
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ViperGlyph says:

mmmm marshmellows.

mmmm Monica Belluci......aaaaaaah just got a flash of Jim Belluci... im scarred now.

08:56 pm (6 years ago)
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boogieman says:

hahahahahahahaha. hahahah. ha. ha. h-- excuse me, I need a breather.

OK, I'm done, carry on.

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09:14 pm (6 years ago)
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colossus72 says:

Barbecue Meatloaf

* 2 to 2 1/2 pounds ground chuck
* 1 can tomato soup, divided
* 1 egg, slightly beaten
* 1 cup crushed Ritz crackers
* 2 tablespoons honey
* 1 tablespoon plus 2 teaspoons Worcestershire sauce, divided
* 2 tablespoons dried minced onions
* 1/2 teaspoon salt
* 1/4 teaspoon pepper
* 1/2 cup water
* 2 teaspoons prepared mustard
* 2 tablespoons brown sugar

Combine ground chuck with half of the tomato soup, egg, crackers, honey, 2 teaspoons Worcestershire sauce, onions, salt, and pepper. Mix well and form into a ball. Place a crinkled length of aluminum foil in the slow cooker/Crock Pot so the ends extend an inch or so out of the pot. Place the meatloaf in the pot (the foil will make it easier ro lift the meatloaf out and keep it out of the drippings).

Combine remaining soup, 1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce, the water, mustard, and brown sugar. Whisk together and pour over the meat loaf. Cover and cook on low for 8 to 10 hours.
Serves 4 to 6.

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DoorinD says:

/me poops on this thread.

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