i dunno how many of you guys are hockey fans, im sure as hell am, being canadian and all, and living the the vancouver area(but i hate the canucks, go habs go), what do u guys think of the decision of him gone for the rest of the year, playoffs included, is it enough? and how do u americains who prolly dont watch hockey think the sport is now represented
Bertuzzi was sticking up for teammate Naslund who got hit by Moore a few weeks ago. Moore got the elbow up; don't believe people who say it was a clean hit.
Have you been reading/watching/listening to what people are saying about this? Where did all these sanctimonious media jackasses who obviously don't understand hockey come from? All they seem aware of is that 5 second video loop of the Bertuzzi hit, not all the stuff leading up to it. I doubt a lot of these people even know it was a revenge hit.
The suspension is too long. It's a PR move by the NHL.
yea i think its bs, but thats mainly just because we wont have him for the playoffs, lol still, its hockey, shit happens, and i hate how the media is makin him look bad as hell....
The fact still remains Bertuzzi might, and I repeat, MIGHT have broken his jaw with the hit but it was the pile on that broke his neck. Priceed hit the nail on the head too.
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No execuse can be given, regarless the past history. And premeditated intentional is still just that. Criminal. Remeber when Bertuzzi say he was disguzed when something similar happen years back. And he said something must be done about that. Yeah. You were so right, Mr. Bertuzzi.
On a another note, this is what hockey has always been. People giving and taking hits, legal or not, clean or dirty. The sport bores me anyway.
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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about . Moore put a hit on bertuzzi's captain in a prior game this year and put him out for 3 days. Thanks to new rules in the NHL neither team could settle their grudges then and there so of course the next time both teams played it would be even more heated. Bertuzzi did what any other player on any other team would have done and I will say it again, Bertuzzi may have broken Moore's jaw but that punch had nothing to do with the broken neck. Infact it was because 2 other avalanche players fell on top of the pile. It was a freak accident and things like this happen. Its hardly criminal.
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Bertuzzi's hit isn't something I'd call "what any other player on any other team would have done". Both teams were warned beforehand about any retalitory action taken against Moore (did you know that?); Bertuzzi chose to ignore it. He suckered him from behind like a pathetic coward.
He broke a kid's neck. There's NO justification in my mind that will convince me that's just "hockey" or that it was OK because it was a "revenge hit". Freak accident? Are you serious? Bertuzzi suckered him from behind- he was out cold before his face even smacked off the ice. And how do you know at which point his neck broke?
You guys make me sick.
And I've been saying for a long time now- if you put a player out with such a serious injury like this, where you act with intent to injure, then you should sit out for as long as it takes that player to return. Crap like this that I see in hockey turns my stomach, and I'm all for fighting too- but this cheap shot stuff has got to go.
i agree with cooper, for all u poepel who dont live around the vancouver area, and have the lexury of not seeing it a millions time, then hearing the canucks fans say it was too harsh, right not it looks like moore will be alrite, also, the vancover canucks organization got fine 250 000$ for the incident
Once again I'll point out the obvious for you people. Moore's neck was broken DUE TO THE PILE ON BY HIS OWN TEAMMATES. You guys keep screaming about cheap hits but the only point you actually make is if someone is hurt during a cheap hit then its bad. I guess we can all pretend that Moore didnt put a cheap hit on the Canucks captain in a previous game that put him out for 3 games or the fact that in the same game he was hurt Moore tried to put 3+ full on body checks to Bertuzzi from behind. Its hockey, it happens.
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Bertuzzi sucker-punched Morre, deilberately, and knocked him out cold. The fractured neck, aside, it is STILL assault and battery.
THe facgt that he's on skates, on ice, and fvcking around with a puck does not justify a damn thing. His suspension is fair enough, and I hope that pending criminal charges will be stringetnt enough.
Such actions are UNACCEPTABLE. You can't start beating the guy on the street who looks at you funny or makes a comment about your mother. Nor can you do it on ice.
"It happens." No, it should not. AND, does not need to. The fact that it happened in the past does not justify it either. Hockey needs to be reevaluated from this standpoint, and the value of what I'll call "premeditated intent to cause bodily harm" must be questioned . . . . that is, right down the line, from bodychecks, to other "hits", to drop-gloves consensual fighting, to the kind of attack that Bertuzzi committed.
You don't need fights to win hockey games. Players are paid ENORMOUS and unjusitifis amounts money to win hockey games, not to act out their failed "Street Fighter II" fantasies.
I know man but still. If Moore had simply broken his collarbone or even an arm this would not have been this big of a deal. Its the freak accident part of the whole situation that has everyone so up in arms. Cheap hits like that happen in hockey during every game. Until the NHL starts fining and suspending every player that puts another player in a position where a serious injury could take place then you cant defend this. Premeditation is up to interpretation.
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"Until the NHL starts fining and suspending every player that puts another player in a position where a serious injury could take place then you cant defend this."
That's a fair point to make, and I can see where it's difficult to make these kinds of calls.
In any case, all I know is that even with Leetch and Francis, the Leafs won't get very far . . . . . . again. :-(
You guys are looking at this from the wrong viewpoint. Its the fact that the NHL has gone this far. It has crossed a new threshold of violence. This wasn't hocky, it was gang-war tactics. You pinch me I punch you. You punch me I break your neck. Granted, you can't let your players get pushed around on the ice, but when you escalate the conflict instead of just settling it things are bound to get out of hand.
You can't say this was an accident and the punishment was too harsh. If I'm beating someone up and accidentally kill them, I'm not going to get assault and battery, I'm going to get murder. Likewise, if I crosscheck a guy I'll get a 5 minute penalty, but if I crosscheck a guy and break his neck (and jaw), its just not the same thing, even if I didn't mean to. http://www.liquidgeneration.com/rumormill/ipod_killing.html she didn't mean to kill her boyfriend, but she did, and she got charged with murder. (sorry, couldn't resist, I'm not trying to throw this thread off topic, so start another one if you want to discuss that crazy-ass story.)
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Im qualified enough to know that almost killing someone is not OK just because your in an ice rink.
Boogieman said it all perfectly. Just coz it was a freak accident doesnt make it okay. If he had never given the cheap shot from behind, the freak accident would never have happened, and he would still be playing.
But you dont realize is that you cant just say that. If you are willing to take it that far then you have to keep going. If Moore had never took a cheap shot again the avalanche captian, then bertuzzi would have never cheap shotted Moore. So technically its still Moore's own fault.
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Regardless boogie, its the same line of thinking everyone is using against Bertuzzi. Everyone blames the cheap shot and claims that he should have taken the high road when Moore gave him no respect and tried to cheap shot him 3+ times in that game. I hear no one mention any of that. I hear no one mention that if Moore hadn't put the avalanches captain out for 3 games on a bullshit hit then none of this would have happened. There are patterns in life that we can not ignore simply because we have already moved past them. Everything begins somewhere, and that is where the true judgement should lie. If you refuse to look at the whole picture then you shouldnt look at all.
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2 camps here: civilized, responsible, and mentally matured against that wish the world runs on justice served by gang mentality. No sport arenas are set up as "safe havens" from the protection of the Law.
"Those who exercise revenge on their own term are as much a victim of themselves as that of their wrong-doers." - another crazy thought-up by the god-diminsher.
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Look people, I'm not advocating violence, I'm just saying that the situation is a lot more complicated than the (terrible) media coverage is suggesting.
Bertuzzi isn't the absolute villian that the TV/radio/newspapers/internet is painting him as. And Moore isn't the innocent bystander who lives in a magical fantasyland of rainbows and fuzzy bunnies. But you don't hear that side of it because it isn't as exciting as just playing the five second clip of Bert crushing Moore over & over.
The major media outlets play to their audience, most people are idiots, so the news is idiotic. If you want the truth, it really helps if you dig a little deeper. Unlike the 6 o'clock news, I know for a fact my own thoughts and opinions don't give a shit what corporate sponsors want to hear or else they'll pull their ad for dish soap.
I had no idea the NHL was so popular, given all the pacifist assholes who have crawled out of the woodwork in the last week to kick a sport they don't even follow, let alone understand.
Hockey has more honor than you'd think, and the game is more than capable of policing itself thankyouverymuch.
Finally, the suggestion that I am not "civilized, responsible, and mentally matured" is offensive. Yeah, I'm talking to you jujube, fuck you.
If we need to understand some mythical, honour-driven hockey culture in order to understand why it is or it isn't okay to commit a criminal act on the ice, then we are in some SERIOUSLY deep trouble.
It is only a sport, where a bunch of guys with sticks fool around with a puck on ice. It isn't a cultural yarstick, nor something by which we measure our self-identities or vitality as a nation. There are no hockey "traditions" to protect, and such traditions are not above the Rule of Law. The consistency in the fair and just application of the law is far more important than any sport or game.
Is hockey THAT important to you? If so, SHOULD IT be that important?
You are completely missing the point. There is history that goes back between these two teams and it has to do with Moore and his cheapshots. The only reason you didn't hear about it then its because the guy was out for 3 games. Had he expierenced some sort of severe accident like Moore did then you would all be screaming for Moore's head. Its pure hypocrisy but none of you even realize it because YOU DONT FOLLOW HOCKEY. It has nothing to do with any tradition except the fact that hockey is a full contact sport and sometimes tragic things happen. Men have died in the boxing ring but none have ever been charged in a criminal court. Surely there was intent there right? In a sport where the point is nothing more then the intent to hurt the other person shouldn't they be liable for the damage they cause? Why dont you all go condem something worth a shit instead of wasting your time trying to change something you never paid any attention to before. I have yet to hear one of you say anything that has to do with the actual situation between the two players or the two teams. Again I repeat just shut up already. Moore will be fine, Bertuzzi is forever screwed, its a great way to end a stupid situation.
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I used to watch hockey, but I've been driven away from sports for at least a year now.
Anyone have a link to an article or something? I sorta want to know what happened, and after skimming through this thread here, I've got the gist of it... I sort of want something with detail, though. Like a news article/video link... something. Please post one if you got one readily availuable ^.^ thnx
I hate liars. I hate hypocrites. I hate haters. Now gimmie a hug.
I dont want people to think Im saying Bertuzzi's hit was justified, but there is enough history behind this situation to label it as a something that snow balled out of control. I just think Bertuzzi is being made a scape goat for all of the NHL's in the past and Moore is being painted as this white knight. Both played a huge role in this crap but a lot of the blame lies with the NHL and their head office.
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