I agree with Miriku's decision to delete the screenshots. I don't think his post, "deleting his ass right now" was appropriate. but also, look at the other consequences of miriku's actions. yeah, so some of the all time greats are asking ot have their stuff removed, but also, the message boards are finally once again active, people have a reason again to come to the site, they want to see what miriku or matrix did to piss off jafo this time... it's great, people are posting to the boards faster than I can read them, and the general experience is exciting. This is the way it should be. This site isn't really about the skins, is it? I think that was proven when custo was nothing more than a black and grey message board. the community was still here, they didn't give a shit about the skins, they came here to talk to their friends, to argue, to have debates, and to have fun. I apreciate everyone who has contributed to this site, and yes, I apologize for implying that the "old farts" don't matter any more. the old farts still make the site, I suppose, but when they do decide to leave the skinning community, it also isn't going to kill the site. Custo could survive forever with absolutely no skins, simply because everyone would come here to argue, joke, and have fun. inapropriate comments happen, most people move on. those who don't, that's their problem. don't ever take anything personally, I'm sure miriku wasn't trying to degrade pixtudio when he said deleting his ass now, thats just the way he does stuff, that's the way he is, and nobody can change that. Jafo, I'm sorry you think my posts are childish and immature. I'm sorry that you don't think anything is right unless it's what you believe, I can't change that, I'm not going to try. I might come off as an asshole at times, so be it, I'm an asshole then, ok... who cares? have fun :)
.:Matrix9180:. [Customize Admin] My stupidity 0wnz j00
"We are the all seeing all dancing crap of the world"
Bottom line. We are all Human (well some of us are mostly human with a soft nuget center).
And what do humans do? We screw up. All of us. None of us are saints. Not one above the other.
The admins couldnt do what they do without the users
The users couldnt get exposure without the admins
The bottom line is that were all i this together.
But, as situations continually remind me, even the skins community isnt free from waring over POINTLESS PETTY CRAP!
I personally, after much thought have found fault in BOTH sides of this little squable. Therefore i have concluded that it is no ones fault. Just a matter of clashing ideals.
Get over it. No ones right, no ones wrong.
Ps. I am not biased. As the skin site I have worked for in the past isnt re launched yet. heh
Miriku and Matrix.. you guys are so lame it's not even funny any more. It's just sad to see such a great site being in the hands of such idiots!
I may not agree with Jafo or Brad and I hardly ever have time to visit WC, but I would have a beer with them anytime.. You guys on the other hand are the lamest excuse for an administration I have ever seen on a skin site.
darius - thats a damn good movie youre quoting... but i am pretty sure its "the all singing all dancing crap of the world."
yeah theres fault in what everyone is saying and the way everyone is handling themselves. it would be useless to plead to everyone that they calm down and take a step back, but i hope everyone realizes that the idea of the main topic has been lost. the whole thing is now very personal and very petty. i can just hope this dosent cause too much damage, but if i had a dollar for every time someone threatened to leave customize....
oh b00 fucking h00 some admin deleted a fucking screen shot that was advertisement oh b00 fucking h00 some people don't agree. good people will leave and then new people will come in to replace these old people who the fuck cares the site still works there are still good skins coming in i couldn't give 1 shit if treetog or some other "l33t" skiner left. i come here to look at the fine [B]free[/B] skins that are posted here i don't want to see a fucking advertisement for something that even if i wanted i couldn't aford to pay for.
.-'rush68'-. status = confuzed work = code name project apertyx
oh and by the way im sure kindergarden was fun but its not what we are in right now and these preschool im better then you/im more right then you fights are overplayed. get over it people
.-'rush68'-. status = confuzed work = code name project apertyx
And ive read them all. balh, i have so much to respond to and write shit aboutm but i dont have the time right now. oh, you would be sooooo fucking flamed, some of you, if i just had the time. You just dont get the idea. I at least thought JAFO would get it.
Okaym customize.org is NOT A FUCKING PREP SITE. We have special and proffesional admins, yet with a touch of humour. I have yet to find a better communtiya dn smarter admins than on custo. They're much cooler too. And i dont know how you dare demand edgar be fired. He is a smart and proffesional rater, and i most often trust his actions. Tend to be a cynical bitch, yeah, but hes wiser than most of you will ever be.
Every custo admin has his own personality. We have different styles and attitudes, and different tastes. Yes, miriku made some mess with what he did, but this topic has ricocheted to somehting else. To make a long story short, i have little time:
1. Wincust (fools are ripping off our name, at least wincustO dammit) are sell out bitches, and are too reppy for my taste 2. Every site has its own personality 3. So has every admin. 4. Jafo, youre an incoherent bitch. Let renato speak for himself 5. both matrix and miriku know what they're doin, i do not doubt what they do, they act n own judgement, which is usually very good 6. I ahvent rated stuff on custo in a week now, ive been busy. sorry :P 7. We are as profane as we wanna be. I dont know about others, but i use profanity as an amplifier in my language. I dont use it to be a 1337 tough homeboy or whatever. 8. Ive typed this very fast, and my head hurts. sorry about any typos. 9. On the deletion case: im not so sure on this issue, im kinda split. One thing is that this truly IS advertising to some degree, whcih should be deleted. On the other hand, those were real skins whcih should have stayed. But on the actual skins, i dont care too much if theyre on custo, they are on all other sites anyway.
that concludes my little rant aobut what i just read. flame away, let the war begin. Custo admins versus people that choose to oppose them.
But dont worry custo, i still love yall :)
AdamTT ADMIN - EAST EUROPEAN MODERATION DEPARTEMENT Its Miriku's fault, not mine
its a thread worth attention and in the end, in my opinion, just as matrix pointed out, a thread which brought an outpoor of interesting activity across the board. I wonder if it wouldhave evolved into this if adonai hadnt posted that comment, but i am kinda glad he did. a feeling neither adonai or miriku share, i suspect. dont feel guilty mate.
Treetog left....[probably the single best-known skinner out there]
Alexandrie left....[past-master of Windowblinds in particular..one of the most-used skin proggies there is, and consumate expert with LiteSTEP, and many others, besides]
Nuvem left.... [arguably the most talented digital graphic artist that there is]
Grimspoon left... [Brilliant LiteSTEP themer and graphic artist.... creator of the Pixelprintz on-line digital printing site]
And JAFO...[been around a long time, but not in the same league]
I am wondering, what would happen if i post a screenshot of my "Logika"-Desktop and with comments, what a wonderful suite this is. Would it be considered an advertisment to, because it bought this suite and showing it to other people. You all should be glad they are posting these screenshots, those who want to buy the suite, can have a look at it. Others who donīt have the money to buy it, can rebuild the skins from those screenshots, if they have a little talent. What good can it be for customize when such fantastic skinners like treetog, alexandrie and jafo are leaving a site and others like dangeruss will never post on this site. There will be a lot of people who will never visit the site again. In the time when all sites closed and devart and wincustomize where more than slow, i believe there where a lot of people who would pay a little money to see the community live on.
those few people, while important, are hardly the core of Custo. Until we have set policies, and I can say "umm, miriku, you violated subsection D of the advertising section of the custo guides and policies handbook", I will agree with whatever he, and any of the other admins do...
.:Matrix9180:. [Customize Admin] My stupidity 0wnz j00
these people say "delete my stuff, I'm outta here" on the public boards because they want attention, if they didn't they'd send an email to all of the admins.... while they may claim to be gone, you can bet they're still here, reading these ramblings that are the real core of custo
.:Matrix9180:. [Customize Admin] My stupidity 0wnz j00
DoorinD. You are correct. Thanks for fixing my quote. It was Very late and i was very tired.
This argument boils down to: "waahhh you hurt my feelings" "Tough shit it violated my morals" "But who said you could hurt my feelings" "I did"
Followed by a huge tyraid of he said she said, im taking my toys home, Im not your friend anymore, kind of comments.
Bottom Line:
If miriku fealt like being really polite he could have asked around to the others admins and found out custos stance on the situation. That way he could have had a stronger backing going into this. Then he could have warned them by sayin..We all talked an we agree your screeny is an advert. So we are nuking it.
The gang who uploaded the screeny could have asked before hand with a polite question such as. Hey guys can I upload this or does it seem too advertisemnt like?
Point is none of this happened due to childish attitudes on some peoples parts and ego's on others.
The question now is. Is there any way in hell this can be resolved without everyone needing there diaper changed?
People who sit here fanning the flames when they had nothing to do with it (there are a lot of you, you know who you are) remind me of the kids who would gather around a playground fight at school and yell.HIT HIM HIT HIM. You People are being morons. If you care about the comunity SHUT UP. Let the 2 parties actually involved work it out like adults. They are capable. They dont need your "help".
Come on guys and gals. I know your better than this. Ive seen most of you do wonderful things for us all. Dont sour it now:)
lol. No kai goo. Yes I have isuues. Bust I dont doo the pics. My wife does. I just upload/thumbnail them and manage/design the site:) I find it humerous. But there are several members of the roleplaying community that find it good wankin material. Did you see the shirts miriku. hehe. I love that motto:)
Thanks for peekin miriku. And for what its worth man, I hope you stay. I think this whole thing could be solved with an "I'm sorry" from both sides:)
Getting back to the original topic at hand, did those screenshots have the word buy in them? Or was it deleted after you found out they were for sale? I've seen their screenshots before... they dont have a buy button, they dont have a price tag, they just have a link, so i don't understand what the problem is...
Sure miriku. Although my wife will probably charge ya a couple bucks since it takes away from her porn-conversion time. Should be around 5 bucks. But its coo if you dont wanna pay youll just have to wait longer till she has a spare moment:)
quote: "Although my wife will probably charge ya a couple bucks since it takes away from her porn-conversion time. " No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low.
did those screenshots have the word buy in them? I've seen their screenshots before... they dont have a buy button, they dont have a price tag, they just have a link, so i don't understand what the problem is...
You finally nailed it....I take no issue with selling of artwork or skins, especially if it's the caliber that this thread is about. But, these were not "screenshots" in the normal sense...these were ads with a link to the site where you could buy them. Yes joe user has posted links associated with screenshots in the past, but I challenge you to find some that are advertising the skins/wallpapers displayed.
To post this sort of "screenshot" in the manner it was posted was misleading. This is where users show their collection of skins they are using on their desktop. Not an advertisement.
lets review the pros and cons of being a santa's elf...
pros
you get all the candy canes you want you get to be homies with santa you can snowboard all year round
cons
youre a little too short all the other fantasy creatures can kick your ass mrs. claus likes to skinny dip in the lake behind the toy workshop (darn those frost-resistent windows)
well its advertising even having a link to a no-purchase orientated site now ist it. No one said advertising had to involve a money transaction.
advertisement n : a public promotion of some product or service.
Says nothing there about a money exchange. So i think any skin, wallpaper or screenshot promoting something via a url, should be removed if we followed your guidelines. It would be only fair wouldnt it?
ahh you guys must have missed this one. From The Skins Factory TDK Windows Media player 7 skin description...
"Designer Notes: Created by Ilmari "Kig" Heikkinen of The Skins Factory for our client TDK Electronics. The original interface we created was bundled in the high-powered TDK 24X CDRW burner called the veloCD. Unavailable for download as a self-contained skin, we now present the TDK Digital MixMaster in the Windows Media Player 7 format. Skin includes separate Video module, which includes the ability to resize, zoom and control your video settings and a dual TDK Content/Playlist mode. Also includes intro/audio playback animations. Inquiries for custom skins and interfaces please contact us at: info@theskinsfactory.com"
I am advertising my company's services at the bottom. You guys must have missed that. If you delete it because of that, then delete all of our skins. I'm sure kig, lowen and roman wont mind... yeh right.
my point is this... support the skinners , dont alienate them. Skinners make a skin site. If they are trying to suplement their incomes, support them. Help them. Nurture them. Without them it wouldnt be a skin site. Like i said before, Custo should have had the forethought to think "hey you know maybe if we helped sell the suites, we can supplement the site's cost". Could even be a way to not have to have pop up banners if the money was good enough. Seems like a much better thing to do then to support some advertising pop up banner company. Seems more relevant also.
well diff yes but a simliar means to an end. Let me ask you this. If they uploaded a skin and in the description it said" for the full pixstudio suite please go here" would that be acceptable? In essence it would be the same thing i have done.
the actual skins uploaded were not moderated. at the time i simply figured that as long as it was an actual skin inside a zip, the fact that it was part of a per pay suite was ignorable.
at this point i'm not so sure i wish to be associated with anything that is per pay. i do not wish to be remembered as just another person that helped change the scene into just a bunch of members only pornsites.
This will be my 3rd and I hope, my last post here:
Here are some FACTS:
1) We uploaded our screenshots, exactly in the same way as we did 2 months ago, with your earliest skin suite. In that time, it was not just APPROVED by the SAME admins, but the screenshot was even FEATURED as the "Daily Screenshot", again, by the SAME team of admins 2) I could never saw a guideline saying that we could not do what we did. 3) I didn't create this thread, but on it, as users, we were offended, by some people, beginning buy "deleting his ass now", then being compared as crackers,called as "Stardock's adventures", "Stardock kids"etc... 4) When I asked to Adam TT to delete the rest of my files and my account, I did this in privacy, not to un respect this site or to influence anybody.
to my friends: I'm unfortunate guy for having friends like you, I'd like to thank you in public for bravely defending our points of view. Even to the ones that contacted me out of this thread just to show their support. =)
to Custo: Just one quick question. What we did wrong? In my opinon, a community site can't be ran depending on the mood of the admins, changing the rules, approving and featuring once and just "deleting his ass" in another time. After that, saying "this isnt fucking ebay for their free advertising glory" There are no rules, this doesn't make any cense to me and for sure, it's a contradiction. Admins treats users without any respect. Justice must to be made, AdamTT must be excluded from what I'm saying, he was always ready help in all ocasions needed during the 4/5 months I was a member here.
to Shoggot: As you know I'm not that old here and during my skin community experience, we just talk a few times. In all of them, I don't remember of me being rude or unrespectful to you or your work. I was sad to see you using Pixtudio, Alexandrie and me as weapons for you to try prove your points to hit Brad/Stardock.
to miriku: What I said before, I return to say. You advertise a site that has paid music on your profile page http://24.161.184.138:8080/order.html which is totally unappropriated since that "music" field is not for that porpoise. You have any moral values and are an hipocrites, you are just good to judge other people's acts, not yours, in my opinion and after what I saw, I have not any respect for you. Using this whole sad issue and your pretense power here to have your 15 minutes of fame.
to all users: After making some hundreds of free skins for all the programs I could and uploading them in all the skins sites I knew, just for the pleasure of sharing our FREE work, we began to make some exclusive suites for sell, to help us to PAY for the bandwidth of OUR site ( as many other skin sites are doing at this moment), where we GIVE our full portfolio of skins for FREE download.
So, please follow my mind just for a minute. We have over 400 skins on our site made by US, for us to give them to you for FREE, we must to pay for the bandwidth, so we are not giving them, we are paying for giving them to you.
We have no sponsors, all the banners on our site are there because we want to support some programs and web sites, none of them pay us for having the banners. As some people tried to distorce the truth here, Pixtudio is ownned by Alexandrie and me, nothing more then that and we are the ones who pay the bills.
So, after we began to charge for a few skins we are being called, "the bad guys" or "the mercenary skinners" buy some hypocrites, doesn't mattering how many times we explain that.
Well, if this is what Customize. org is calling askin community, then for sure, I don't want to be part of it. As Scarebear would say, "Because skinning should be FUN!
btw, China, you made the best post here, you are my idol! =)
once again, slander first: moonfrog is free music. if you wish to purchase anything, you pay for what the artist wishes, and for the cost of the cd all the music is available for free if you wish to simply listen or burn your own cd. i am again, deeply offended by your charge even tho i corrected you no less then 4 times now.
it's spelled "hypocrite" btw.
i'm glad you have friends, although i question if thanking them here has any purpose whatsoever.
i like you slip on "buy some hypocrites" tho. isnt lovely when your subconcious reveals your true intentions?
as to your previous per pay suite: i do not recall ranking it. i am not saying i didnt, just do not recall. i simply didnt see it right. forgive, i do close to a hundred of these things a day.
now, please, what the fuck do you expect to gain from this post of yours? for me to break down and cry? no. i did what was right, i stood up to you and i will stand by my decision. you believe that your course will do more harm to the scene then you can imagine. this is my belief and i will fight against your way of looking at it.
you're free to do anything you want about it. including slandering me more.
go ahead and take out a new thread about it. it's obvious you dont read anything i write.
typo: "*i* believe your course will do more harm to the scene then you can imagine"
apologies.
*sigh*
yes. i'm an extremist. i know. always was, always will be. think of me as something on the edge that you probably shouldnt agree with but will at least give you a new perspective.
Once again, the ogre of financial gain rears its ugly head, takes a large chunk out of its victim, then sinks slowly back into the mirth, leaving chaos in it's trail......
Treetog's last post seems to sum it up quite nicely. Truth be told, I had considered the same venture about a year ago, but opted not to try, knowing full well the shitstorm some people would start. In light of all the arguments made here about being individuals and 'bucking the trend' , most folks posting here should respect Pixtudio for doing something gutsy and going against the status quo.
More power to them. Despite your narrow points of view, these skinners WILL be sucessful in their venture to be respected, sought after graphics artists. I fully expect that already requests for quotes are coming in for interface and web work.
Pixtudio will have the last laugh when they're too busy with assignments to make 'gifts' for spoiled children any more.
well powerful boy, going like you are doing, you will be promoted as PowerRanger soon . =)
It seems that your ego is growing really fast, just a small part of my post was directed to you, so is quite understandable that you couldn't got it by all means. You don't know real mean of the word "respect".
Please be my guest on correct my misspelling every time you want, English is not my native language.
If people are purchasing CDs on the site's add you made, what is the difference bteween there and Pixtudio?
Don't worry will not show you the truth anymore, blind peole can't see. =)
im not gonna comment more on the case, but renato, you must note that mirikus site is NOT a money earning site. It is a free community for people to download all the music completely free with no limits, but if users want to, they can order a cd for the price of making it, or donate to the artists if they want, all by own choice.
Thought i should straighten that out, miriku just said the same twice somewhere up there, and i think hell be pretty pissed when he finds out you didnt notice. He takes moonfrog pretty seriously.
AdamTT ADMIN - EAST EUROPEAN MODERATION DEPARTEMENT Its Miriku's fault, not mine
OMFG! HE takes HIS venture seriously, so let's not disparage it in any way. . .
I'm sure Pixtudio takes their business seriously as well.
The double standard here is startling.
Just as no one is forcing moonfrog visitors to pay, Pixtudio isn't either. They offer a product. The choice to purchase that product is the consumer's.
you can disparge it, but please dont slander. you can hate the fact that moonfrog is free, you can hate the music, you can hate the artists, you can hate that it undersells "real artists" like the ones on mtv, you can hate that we dont rip off artists, you can hate the little skull/frog/thing logo. you can hate us for any reason you wish. but please, dont slander. again, thats all i ask.
pixtudio can do whatever. i do not have to respect their decisions and i do not have to allow them to get free advertisment here.
well Adam devils advocate time. Ok your words coming up with me swapping out a few of them...
"It is a free community for people to download most of the skins completely free with no limits, but if users want to, they can order a suite for the price of making it, all by own choice. "
really not much differences there except skins are relevant to this site and music isnt. seems like a double standard to me.
im not saying pxitudio is bad. Im not the same stance as miriku on the pixtuido. I like the site, and wish treetog well on it. I was just clarifying the moonfrog thing.
and on a tangent, pixtudio doesnt offer ENTIRE themes for free like moonfrog :P
AdamTT ADMIN - EAST EUROPEAN MODERATION DEPARTEMENT Its Miriku's fault, not mine
oh, and another thing: miriku aint the "leading" admin here, he's just the one getting himself into a lot of mess :P All admins are equal (except matrix, hes bteam :P), they all got the same options, its just that some work more than others.
AdamTT ADMIN - EAST EUROPEAN MODERATION DEPARTEMENT Its Miriku's fault, not mine
the general principle is th esame. Yeh music u have to burn on CDs and ship them. Skins you have to pay for internet bandwidth costs (aka shipping), hosting costs (aka shipping), graphic programs (aka CD costs and burn equipment). So both have over head costs.
I must to say you are wrong about pixtudio. You can download over 35 free different skins suites (in intire theme packs). All you need to do is. Go to the suite packs area, choose the suite you want, hit the download button, download all the skins for that themes in just once and have fun =)
i'm special team. i get us in the headlines of supermarket tabloids
"miriku stabs famous skin author, news at 11" "miriku having satan's baby, satan claims rape"
*sigh*
a thought: on moonfrog, the mp3 copy is free. i pay the band, i pay for the domain, creation, and believe me, i dont use software to create music, i spent a lot of time working to afford my gear, and i still give it away
why? cause as soon as i start charging, i'll know my priorities shift. i do it because it means a lot to me and i do it because it's fun.
integer - your response is a gross over simplification, as much as my generalization was.
More appropriately; measured in terms of being a sought after cadre of COMMERCIAL artist (yes money is involved) they will be sucessful. They've already proved their mettle in the skinning arena. I should hope you'd agree.
My spoiiled shildren reference in not directed agains anyone using free skins, since we all are, but to those who fail to see the ability to pay one's own way using the talents they possess and to those who demand everything for free and then bitterly complain when the world doesn't quite revolve around them.
Ever seen the movie Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory? There's lots of Veruka Salts here.
Hrm. no offense to both sides, but you're both engaging in -really- primitive sophistry. You can recognize it for yourself, you don't need me pointing it out.
Problem is, both sides are a little right, and a little wrong.
treetog/russ/alexandrie/et al are right that there's nothing intrinsically wrong w/ rodicing content for pay, in fact, I applaud 'em for it. I just worry about stardock flexing some muscle over their choices of what to skin.
they are also right to feel free to upload whatever they like, wherever they like. be it goatporn, advertisements, fine quality skins, doesn't matter.
they're also a bit right in feeling offended at the "deleting their qass now" comment.
side two-o:
this site is right to reject whatever it wants to reject, it's a privately owned site. if you think i'm worng, well, i demand the right to post the goatse.cx pic on your website =)
this site is right to draw up whatever policies it feels like drawing up, whenever it feels like doing so. see note about private site above.
miriku is right to assume the authority to take these actions; in the military, if you did something in view of your superior (such as drink on duty), and they did not object or correct you, that was tacit approval, and you could not be written up for your next transgression.
both sides are a little wrong, too.
pixstudio et al are wrong for assuming they were wronged by having the screenshots taken down; it's at a site's whim that content is shown.
they're wrong for calling for the dismissal of an admin for what amounts to basic rudeness. If I catch you on a bad day and you spit on my shoes, is getting you fired an acceptable response?
they're wrong for not just going away after realizing that their screenshots were not welcome. I assume you still had the quasi-advert in the skin descriptions, right? he didn't delete those, right?
some of their supporters are -really- wrong for saying that since the skinners involved are "big names", that custo should cave to their desires.
miriku, and custo, were wrong too:
miriku was wrong to not be specific in his original comment - "deleting their ass" sounds a lot worse than "deleteing the screenshots now".
custo has been wrong in not pounding out what's ok & what's not, and not having a clear-cut chain of command.
oki? the two sides are -not- mutually exclusive. Yes, I, personally, still think stardock is evil. I still think brad's a decent guy at heart. I still think the members of pixstudio are great skinners, and wish 'em luck (I think pixelprintz is the true direction to go as far as cg artists making money, though - i'd buy stock if i could). I still think miriku is a great admin. I still love the GIMP, PoVRAY, illumination, and all the other juicy freeware.
I think, that given that this is a private site, that this argument is silly in rtrospect.
wow! Didn't know what Pixel Printz was until now. Jake (iST) and i had talked about doing something similar to this a long time ago but it never reached fruition. What a great idea.
I hope it does well, i'm going to have to go take a look and see whats there. My walls could use some adorning.
miriku: um, i'd be against it. well... i'd be against charging for listing there.
think about it this way: some of the skins you host are for shareware (maybe even some straight-up payware?_ apps - by hosting 'em, well, it -is- tantamount to a tacit approval of the purchase of the apps... the concept isn't so different.
you won't allow MaxxiMP3 ads in a skin section, or even screenshots, sure - it gives nothing to the users but a beg for money. there's no real content. diggit. hosting skins for maxximp3 (no such thing, btw), you're giving vontent to the users. the users (presumably) already know that they're getting into when they head into that section... they probably know the skin is for a shareware app (hrm, random thought... how about classifying the sctions, a la tin omen style? ie, an icon for open source, for freeware, for uncrippled shareware, for timelock shareware, for cripple shareware, for payware?). I see nothing wrong there...
So, a section for just ads - i think it'd be an overall benefit - to the people m aking the paysuites, even, since instead of having to dig through xthousand ss's to find the ad by chance, they would know right away where to look. I wouldn't stick the "free" components of the suites in that section, though - drop 'em in their rightful sections. too confusing otherwise. It's not unlike the sections for shareware skins - the user will have to pay something to use the content, except in this case, it's not from the get go, it's later in the game. allow external links from the description, simple jpg, no zip needed... basically, a second screenshots section.
It'd have the advantage that a) people who dislike the pay-for-skins concept wouldn't have to worry about stumbling across an ad in the rest of the site, b) paysuite authors would have a convenient place to upload (with no arguments possible, whee!), C) users who are willing to pay for what is, in all honesty, high quality skins can conveniently find the adverts.
a lot of solid meat and potatos there. now if we could dig revird out of hybernation so that coding could be done, i could more then stickwrite in water
first off, the users you "delete their accounts" are showing their side of how pathetic and weak they are. They aren't open to a discussion without getting all pissed off at a small matter.
Secondly, too many people think highly of others when they shouldn't. Hell, I do it to. The work of these people isn't that great. Hell, I don't even wanna pay or use or anything from those skinners (Treetog, Alex, etc). I think their stuff is horrid looking. So, do I give a fuck if they charge? Hell no. It's their business, not mine.
But, they are acting very childish over "delete my account". If personally, thats not very professional. And if their not professional, their business isn't going to last too long.
I agree with Colossus that Miriku was just trying to keep Custo and "NON COMMERCIAL" site. We don't buy skins here ... so why the hell should we let people post little screenshots of them? It's a way of advertising.
And personally, if Treetog and Alex want to advertise their skins on Custo, then they should pay Custo to put a pop up banner or regular banner in rotation , not by posting Screenshots.
Oh well. This thread is long. And I just spent too long to read it. Time to go make dinner.
